Oneness

[Leafrivermac]

I will not post on anyone elses thread concerning trinity or oneness. I'm really not even into getting into a discussion of it with most folk here. However to avoid being accused of not being able to explain how I have come to believe as I do I will answer any one question, from anybody,at a time on this thread. I will not respond to a barrage of questions from a single post. I will not respond to lengthy cut and paste. I'm not going to involve hours of my home time as I have done in the past here on this forum at this time. So . . .for those that want to tear down what I believe in . . .do it one question at a time. If no one wants to respond on this thread . .thats fine too . . .my lines drawn here and if you want to learn of oneness or attack it, I'm ready.

[Chuck7]

Leaf,
I will never tear down wha tyo ubelieve my friend. I'm still glad how you fared in the storm. I plan to stay out of controversial post as much as possible.
Love ya
Chuck

[Rebel Hog]

Bro.Mac, I feel the same way as you do. We post scripture on the matter from
the same Bible and most like to select the one's they like. No more on this
discussion.

[Leafrivermac]

Well thank you Chuck, but I'm not asking anyone to be careful of my feelings. Don't use kids gloves on me . .the only things keeping me from tearing down what I consider "lies", is in some cases lack of ammo , and in others . .moderators. Don't mistake me for a "unity at all cost" person, I have no compassion for false doctrine. Fortunatly, there are other battlefields.

[Leafrivermac]

Right Reb, thanks. This is one thread I would like to go it alone tho. I don't want it to turn into a "oneness, trinity" war. If no other oneness person posts on this thread I won't mind and I won't feel left out to dry. The bible, properly taken in context explains itself and is all the help I need. Thanks bro.

[Rebel Hog]

10-4 bro., it's all yours. If I see something that might help I will
PM you.

[Charlie P]

I have a question; Do you think a person can get to heaven believing in the trinity?

[Leafrivermac]

I have a question; Do you think a person can get to heaven believing in the trinity?

Some will say no , some will say yes. From myself, I can only speculate a limited yes. It's not my call, for me it would be a grave sin to deny the oneness of God because I know better. I honestly do not know for sure.

[Charlie P]

Thank you for your honesty.

[Goose 11]

I posted:
"You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. " (James 2:19) This is a most unusual thing to say about the demons who do not question if God exists, having seen Him with their own eyes. Instead, this verse is saying that the demons understand that the three persons of the Trinity are in perfect unity, without difference of opinion, plan or authority. Isn't it the unity between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit,that what makes the demons shudder, not the fact that God exists?

The verse makes no sense if the demons shudder merely because they believe in God. Its God's unity that makes them shudder.

Then you(Leaf river) posted:

Goose, the word trinity is not in the bible. The devils don't tremble because of something that doesn't exist, but because there is only one AllMighty.

Your answer does not make any sense to me, I actually covered it in my statement.

So then I replied:
I realize that God was very plain under the Old Law, and said all those things about being One. But there are a number of scriptures that must be dealt with before we can say that there is no such thing as the "Trinity".
John 10:30 teaches that Jesus and the Father are one. But does this mean one person or a unity between persons?
(It sounds to me likeTWO DISTINCT BEINGS)
Does 1 Corinthians 3:8 then mean that Paul and Apollos were one person? Does Ephesians 5:31 mean that a husband and wife are one person?
Thanks for the answers, I'm studing and trying to learn. The oneness stuff (I mean NO disrespect by useing the word "stuff")is good, but there is alot of scripture to study and they are not allpointing that way so far.
See also Genesis 11:6 and John 17:21 for examples. John 17:21 indicates that the "oneness" of the disciples was to be just like that between Jesus and the Father.

Then after an attack on my faith from Snooky:

Goose, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said, " it seems to me".1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spititually discerned. They are not discerned by Bro Goose, they are discerned by the Spirit. Also if you go back to the KJV of the bible, your scripture will read a little differently, just enough to change what is said.

And another one from Rebel HOG:

Bro.Trae, I'm disappointed in you calling it Stuff! You seem to be picking the verses
that you like and discarding the one's you don't. The verses I quoted are from the
New Testement not the Old.

And still another from you (Leaf river)on the oneness thread:

Hey man, why not try sticking to the bible . . .this history stuff will bite your rump if you really want to get into it. Most of these "early christians" mean very little to me whether they were tri folk or oneness. I don't go to the history books to find my faith . .the bible is good enough. Maybe you can twist some scripture at me and I will try to straighten them out.

I deceided to stop asking questions because youthat believe in the "Oneness"doctrine were soquick to judge me, and actually judgemy faith &heart. You areALL older than me. You have pointed that factout in other threads, andhow that you have been following Christ since beforeI was even born, how then can youcontinue to respond to me as if I am not younger in the faith than you? Why not approach a seeker with a gentle and teaching spirit, the attacks only hurt you and your credibilityin the end.

Please readmy questionand statement before you respond?
Thank you in advance for abetter attitude,
Trae