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Old 09-06-2005, 12:28 PM   #1
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"You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. " (James 2:19) This is a most unusual thing to say about the demons who do not question if God exists, having seen Him with their own eyes. Instead, this verse is saying that the demons understand that the three persons of the Trinity are in perfect unity, without difference of opinion, plan or authority. The unity between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is what makes the demons shudder, not the fact that God exists. The verse makes no sense if the demons shudder merely because they believe in God. Its God's unity that makes them shudder.

Do any of you disagree with this statement? Not trying to pick a fight, just thinking and asking for help. Thanks,
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Old 09-06-2005, 01:12 PM   #2
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Bro.Trae, I believe in the3 Manisfestations of God.

1.He manifested Him self in: The Creation
2.He manifested Him self in: The Incarnation
3.He manifested Him self in: The Holy Ghost
Deut.6:4
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:





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Goose, the word trinity is not in the bible. The devils don't tremble because of something that doesn't exist, but because there is only one AllMighty.
Jesus emphatically taught Deut. 6:4, calling it the first of all the commandments. The New Testament presupposes the Old Testament teaching of one God and explicitley repeats this message many times.
Romans 3:30, "Seeing it is one God which shall justify"
1 Corinthians 8:4, "There is none other God but one"
1Corinthians 8:6, "But to us there is but one God, the Father"
Ephesians 4:6, "One God and Father of all"
1Tim 2:5, "For there is one God"
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Old 09-06-2005, 03:03 PM   #4
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Amen, bro.Mac!
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The hebrew Torah teaches God is one and there is none other besides Him.
So the father is the Holy and He is a Spirit therefore he is the Holy Spirit and father.
He dwells withing the body of christ Colossians 2-8:9. Therefore He is the father Son And Holy Spirit.
The Catholic doctrine of the trinity is just that a pagan teaching taken from babylon andd other Gods such as Allah.

The shema of israel pronounced By moses says:






Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Elohaynu Adonai Echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.

In an undertone:

Barukh Shem k'vod malkhuto l'olam va-ed
Blessed be the Name of His glorious kingdom for ever and ever


V-ahavta et Adonai Elohecha b-chol l'vavcha u-v-chol naf'sh'cha u-v-chol m'odecha.
And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.


V-hayu ha-d'varim ha-ayleh asher anochi m'tzav'cha ha-yom al l'vavecha.
And these words that I command you today shall be in your heart.



V-shinantam l-vanecha, v-dibarta bam
b-shivt'cha b-vaytecha, u-v-lecht'cha ba-derech, u-v-shachb'cha u-v-kumecha.
And you shall teach them diligently to your children, and you shall speak of them
when you sit at home, and when you walk along the way, and when you lie down and when you rise up.


U-k'shartam l'ot al yadecha, v-hayu l-totafot bayn aynecha.
And you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be for frontlets between your eyes.


U-chtavtam al m'zuzot baytecha u-vi-sharecha.
And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

Deuteronomy 11:13-21




V-haya im shamoa tish'mu el mitzvotai
asher anochi m'tzaveh etchem ha-yom, l-ahavah et Adonai Elohaychem,
u-l-avdo b-chol l'vavchem u-v-chol nafsh'chem.

And it shall come to pass if you surely listen to the commandments
that I command you today, to love the Lord your God,
and to serve him with all your heart and all your soul,



V-natati m'tar artzchem b-ito, yoreh u-malkosh;
v-asafta d'ganecha, v-tirosh'cha v-yitzharecha.

That I will give rain to your land, the early and the late rains,
that you may gather in your grain, your wine and your oil.


V-natati aysev b-sad'cha li-b'hem'techa; v-achalta v-savata.
And I will give grass in your fields for your cattle and you will eat and you will be satisfied.



Hishamru lachem, pen yifteh l'vavchem,
v-sartem va-avadtem elohim achayrim, v-hishtachavitem lahem.

Beware, lest your heart be deceived,
and you turn and serve other gods, and worship them
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V-charah af Adonai bachem, v-atzar et ha-shamayim v-lo yihyeh matar,
v-ha-adama lo titayn et y'vulah;
va-avadtem m'hayrah mayal ha-aretz ha-tovah asher Adonai notayn lachem.

And anger of the Lord will blaze against you, and he will close the heavens and there will not be rain,
and the earth will not give you its fullness,
and you will perish quickly from the good land that the Lord gives you.



V-sam'tem et d'varai ayleh al l'vavchem v-al naf'sh'chem;
u-kshartem otam l-ot al yedchem, v-hayu ltotafot bayn aynaychem.

So you shall put these, my words, on your heart and on your soul;
and you shall bind them for signs on your hands, and they shall be for frontlets between your eyes.



V-limadtem otam et b'naychem l-daber bam
b-shivt'cha b-vaytecha, u-v-lecht'cha baderech, u-v-shachb'cha u-v-kumecha.

And you shall teach them to your children, and you shall speak of them
when you sit in your house, and when you walk on the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up.


U-ch'tavtam al m'zuzot baytecha u-vi-sharecha.
And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.



L'ma'an yirbu y'maychem vi-y'may v'naychem al ha-adamah asher nishba Adonai
la-avotaychem latayt lahem ki-y'may ha-shamayim al ha-aretz.

In order to prolong your days and the days of your children on the land that the Lord promised
your fathers that he would give them, as long as the days that the heavens are over the earth.
Notice in The Shema it doesn't say ,you shall love your gods or your Lords ?

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Thank you for all the scriptures guys!
I realize that God was very plain under the Old Law, and said all those things about being One. But there are a number of scriptures that must be dealt with before we can say that there is no such thing as the "Trinity".
John 10:30 teaches that Jesus and the Father are one. But does this mean one person or a unity between persons?
(It sounds to me likeTWO DISTINCT BEINGS)
Does 1 Corinthians 3:8 then mean that Paul and Apollos were one person? Does Ephesians 5:31 mean that a husband and wife are one person?

Thanks for the answers, I'm studing and trying to learn. The oneness stuff is good, but there is alot of scripture to study and they are not allpointing that way so far.

See also Genesis 11:6 and John 17:21 for examples. John 17:21 indicates that the "oneness" of the disciples was to be just like that between Jesus and the Father.
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Goose, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said, " it seems to me".1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spititually discerned. They are not discerned by Bro Goose, they are discerned by the Spirit. Also if you go back to the KJV of the bible, your scripture will read a little differently, just enough to change what is said.
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Goose, the word trinity is not in the bible. The devils don't tremble because of something that doesn't exist, but because there is only one AllMighty.
Jesus emphatically taught Deut. 6:4, calling it the first of all the commandments. The New Testament presupposes the Old Testament teaching of one God and explicitley repeats this message many times.
Romans 3:30, "Seeing it is one God which shall justify"
1 Corinthians 8:4, "There is none other God but one"
1Corinthians 8:6, "But to us there is but one God, the Father"
Ephesians 4:6, "One God and Father of all"
1Tim 2:5, "For there is one God"
Leaf, you don't believe in the Trinity? What about the Rapture? The word "rapture" isn't found in the Bible either.
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FroMan; I hope Leaf doesn't believe in something that isn' found in the scripture. What about the scriptures that he listed that are in the bible, do you believe them? I think the bible teaches that we will be judged by what is found written in the bible, not what is not found there.
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Thank you for all the scriptures guys!
I realize that God was very plain under the Old Law, and said all those things about being One. But there are a number of scriptures that must be dealt with before we can say that there is no such thing as the "Trinity".
John 10:30 teaches that Jesus and the Father are one. But does this mean one person or a unity between persons?
(It sounds to me likeTWO DISTINCT BEINGS)
Does 1 Corinthians 3:8 then mean that Paul and Apollos were one person? Does Ephesians 5:31 mean that a husband and wife are one person?

Thanks for the answers, I'm studing and trying to learn. The oneness stuff is good, but there is alot of scripture to study and they are not allpointing that way so far.

See also Genesis 11:6 and John 17:21 for examples. John 17:21 indicates that the "oneness" of the disciples was to be just like that between Jesus and the Father.
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Bro.Trae, I'm disappointed in you calling it Stuff! You seem to be picking the verses
that you like and discarding the one's you don't. The verses I quoted are from the
New Testement not the Old.
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