Mark of Cain

etothepii · 09-06-2005, 10:50 AM

Is anyone alive today a decendant of Cain? Does anyone bare the mark?

Was Noah a decendant of Cain? If not, then the answer to both questions above is 'no.' Correct?

Rebel Hog · 09-06-2005, 11:37 AM

Eto, according to the mormons, yes. Dark skin and flat nose.

Goose 11 · 09-06-2005, 12:14 PM

Noah was a desendant of Seth.
Luke 3:36b-38"...Noah, the son of Lamech, the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God."

No, the mark is not around anymore.

In Christ there is NO color, gender, or financial, divisions. In Christ we are all ONE.
Galatians 3:27-28 "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

This is one of the ways that the New Law is superior to the Old Law.

Judyboi · 09-06-2005, 01:25 PM

Rebel,
You continue to post drivel of which you know nothing. Eto, there have been leaders who were of the OPINION that those of African descent are Cain's descendants, but it is NOT doctrine. Man is an animal that has his own OPIONIONS. I truthfully don't know if there are Cain's descendants out there today. Maybe, maybe not.

Rebel Hog · 09-06-2005, 01:29 PM

Judyboi, there has been many posts that were quoted from mormon
beliefs on here that has not been answered yet. Go back and read all the
post on mormons.

Judyboi · 09-06-2005, 01:31 PM

Rebel, that doesn't change the fact, I read all of those posts, and they are not from DOCTRINE. Man has opinions and they were opinions, no more. As you are not LDS you wouldn't know what the LDS Doctrine is, now would you? So again, you are wrong on this point.

Let this thread get back on topic, sorry eto. Good thread, I am interested in reading the responses.

Rebel Hog · 09-06-2005, 01:42 PM

Here Judyboi, from one of your books,

2 Nephi 5:20-23And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. 22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities. 23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.

Rebel Hog · 09-06-2005, 01:46 PM

Heres some more,

The Mormon god has even more brutally cursed blacks with the same sort of curse applied to Lamanites:

Moses 7:8 ". . . a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan . . ."
Moses 7:12 ". . . Enoch continued to call upon all the people, save it were [except] the people of Canaan, to repent . . ."
Moses 7:22 ". . . for the seed of Cain were black and had not place among them."
Abraham 1:21 ". . . king of Egypt [Pharaoh] was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth."
Abraham 1:27 ". . . Pharaoh being of that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood . . ."

Mormon prophets understood the Book of Mormon texts exactly as you do today, and they have condemned blacks with impunity as a result:

Rebel Hog · 09-06-2005, 01:51 PM

These are from your own mormom books, are you denying them?

Let us further establish the racial principle found in the Book of Mormon:

1 Nephi 11:13 claims Mary was "œexceedingly fair and white."

1 Nephi 12:23 Claims the Lamanites "œbecame a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations."

1 Nephi 13:15 Claim the gentiles "œwere white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain."

Rebel Hog · 09-06-2005, 01:53 PM

"The attitude of the Church with reference to *****es remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that *****es may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: 'Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death.'"¦ The position of the Church regarding the ***** may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality."¦ spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure;" (First Presidency Statement, August 17, 1949, copy at Church Historical Department; reproduced in full in, Bush, "Mormonism's ***** Doctrine: An Historical Overview," Dialogue, vol. 8, no. 1, Appendix).