Dear Folks,
In the last 2 days I was beaten pretty badly with words while none of you came to my aid. That stands to reason that you all agree that it is time for me to go. I thought friends watch each other's back. That only will work if you dare to bea God pleaser instead of a man pleaser. I was laying there bleeding and you all walked around me. None came to my aid except the Lord Jesus Christ. This is no longer a place for me to find encouragement. It is a place that is full of religious people trying to makeme doubtmy salvation.
Galations 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
" Death and life are in the power of the tongue my friend." Some of you have left some pretty mean scares in my spirit. The power of the tongue overwhelming. Lord Jesus.. please forgive them and heal me. I do thank our Lord for Strut .
C. B.7
Chuck I see you are feeling picked on. I assume that my last to posts to you are atleast part of the reason why.
I know God has given you and me two commands, #1 Know God is God, #2 Love our fellow man.
You carry out #2 better than anyone I know. You are to be commended and admired for that.
My last two posts to you concerned #1, I spoke with passion on that and will continue to speak with passion on that.
To know God is God means that God gets to wear the boss-man hat. God gets to decide what is his scripture, not man.
That is why I have strong feelings about the LDS.
Chuck perhaps you may think it is only the LDS folks I have had trouble with.
There was a fellow here at one time that preached if you believed in the trinity you were hell-bound.
He was wrong for that and I told him so, and I continued to tell him he was wrong for the entire time he and Iwas here. The man was very well educated, a writer of books, a published author. He was the mod. on the religion forum this site had at the time.
I argued him to a stand-still. My point to him was that the subject he was so willing to condem folks over isn't very well understood by man and no man has any business condeming anyone to Hellover it.
WhatIS very clear though is the exact same reasons that man is instructed not to, add or take away from, Revelation applies to the rest of the bible.
I can't help but to feel passionate toward folks that make up thier on scripture and then claim God inspired them to do it.
Then they make up more scripture that tells folks, if you want the very best of Heaven then you must join us.
To them a hell is a lesser Heaven. I stood my ground with T.R. and I stand my ground with the LDS.
My last two posts to you weren't meant to beat you down in the street. There is much about you and how you act on this forum that I admire greatly.
You have the gift of Love stronger than anyone else I know.
Your point on that thread, if I understood it correctly, was that while you agree the LDS folks are wrong, it was time to move on and let things be. I know Tazman agrees with you.
I have a real problem standing by as God's word is twisted and turned inside out till it's meaning is made to be something entirely different than God's intent.
You say it's time to just let it be, Tazman say's it's time to just let it be.
I don't know IF I can just let it be, much less if I desire to just let it be.
Chuck this forum needs your gift of Love as much if not more so than my bull headedness. This forum would be a much lesser place without your input.
If you feel I have beat you down, I am sorry. That wasn't my intent.
Thanks
Mr-Pirk
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Chuck, you cannot think of yourself as lying in the arena and being beaten or stoned,
you have to fight like a Gladiator for your faith againistthe corrupted and altered
Word of God. One thing is to love them as a Christian Brother and another thing is
to let them alter the Bible as we know it. Get up and Defend it!
The Bible warns that even in the apostle's day there were people who would corrupt the word of God. The corruption continues to our day. We have to guard against those who may alter God's word and stand against this. We cannot sit by and let the foundation of the faith be washed away. We need to stand against this subtle attack on God's word. "For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:.." 2Cor 2:17.
2Cor.2:17
[17] For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
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I have a real interest in this post as I feel that there are brethern on both sides. Let me say that I agree a lot with mr-pirk here. God is love. Love is the greatest of the commands. No arguement here. The point of contention with me, (I don't speak for anyone else) is that I can't cast aside all other scriptures just to be friendly and liked. That would become a damninable false doctrine in my thinking. God is recorded many times as being angry and has rebuked, chastened, and even struck people dead because they didn't heed his word. There MUST be a balance here. No one has the right to place one scripture above another. No one has the right to pick and choose which scripture he will and will not obey. Either we are believers or we are not. If your only child is playing in the middle of the busy freeway, are you going to try to get him to safty, or will you allow him to continue playing there. To allow him to continue and get ran over would be showing love?? OR would rushing out and bringing him to safety against his will be showing love?? Love doesn't allow on to continue on to destruction without a warning. Love compells a believer to lift up their voice and warn those in error before judge comes. When one is in hell, can we say that we didn't warn the wayward and turn him from that end because we loved him too much to tell him the truth? Love cover a multitude of sin BUT it doesn't condon sin. Jesus said go and sin no more. He didn't ignore the problem, he forgave and them warned that a worse thing would come if they went back into sin. We can be wrong if we reprove without love, and we are wrong if we use love as an excuse for not warning the wayward. We need to come to grips with the fact that there is a blance in Gods word and it is up to us to seek that way.
Mr. Pirk ,
Thanks for the kind words. I have already thanked you Chuck through a PM. Look at your quote..
Mr. Pirk.
"Your point on that thread, if I understood it correctly, was that while you agree the LDS folks are wrong, it was time to move on and let things be. I know Tazman agrees with you. "
My plea is ...why should a man be condemned for stating an opinion. And if you read Swamp monster's post and all of the hardy replies I do mean condemned.
I talked to my gifted wife about it. She said. "People who don't really like you are going to hear what they want to hear." So it doesn't really matter if we get this over anyway.It will only happen again. Leaf is also a very sensitive man. I read post very carefully and if I'm not mistaken one of you fine folks disagreed with him as well. He has not posted since. Folks I was the guy in school who was never chosen to be on the baseball team .I literally had to run off the bus everyday to keep from being beat up. After I became a Christian I learned how to fight in the military. I was also Born Again soon afterward and learned to turn the other cheek. Sometimes I get tempted to hate as I think about the bullies on the school bus. I can onl;y deal with those thoughts by the love of God. This place is starting toi feel like the school bus again. I feel my Lord saying flee. I can't wait till deer season starts so I can get away in sit in a tree. I don't hat4e anyone. I know it's the enemy twisting words. I stated an opion and my oh my. People's real feelings toward me exploded everywhere.
chuck
Chuck, I haven't posted on this board in quite a while. I'vecan rememberthree people checking in with me--not to ask why, mainly just to see if things were ok here after the storm.
In posts I've been referred to as practically everything but smart and honest, for posting scripture that went against what some folks choose to believe but couldn't explain away using scripture. My words have been twisted, turned, and added to in order for an opposing sides point to be "proven". I didn't see much defense offered on my part, but that's ok--God's word will defend itself. My opinions were just that, and if someone doesn't agree with me when I start a comment with "I think" or "I believe" and have no scripture to back it, or if there is scripture to the contrary, I should be learning something from it.
I didn't quit posting because I was "beat down", I just got aggravated and disgusted with God's word being trampled and ignored. I've said time and again that if I'm wrong I want to know it, but nobody is going to prove it to me with "I think" or "I believe" or "I know" when there is nothing in God's word to back it up. I've begged numerous times for scriptural answers to questions that go against the flow, and seldom ever recieved any. Often the few "answers" that were given were not to the questions I asked.
I don't feel bloody and beaten in the least--I just think that there comesa time, after you have given your all, to shake the dust off your feet and move on. I have better things to do that argue opinions. I check in looking for discussions on God's word, but haven't seen any lately that I felt I could help with. Several that I could have replied to, but I get tired of the ridicule.
I didn't, and am not, posting a "farewell" statement--I'm just going to be more particular about what posts I will respond to.
Chad
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chuck if there was some thing that i felt i could have donei would have said something, personally i believe you fight the good fight and you hold your own very well, here is something i posted on another thread about bashing that i hope will shed some light on the way i feel about the "issues" btw my job here is not to single out anyone or any single religion, i read just about every post on this board, sometimes i see things that i have a question about, and i go for the bible, i also will do online searches for the topic of discussion, but alot of times i don't want to post a question here for the very reason you and chad have mentioned, who wants to be ridiculed, i bet not a whole lot of people stand in land for this.
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hey deer i may be way off here but my thinking is that tazman would prefer that no one make a post running down another's religions or beliefs, I'd say there is a high probability that we all have a little different beliefs, the teacher's job in this caseis not to show that your way is right orwrong, but to show you his wayis right according to the scripture and the interpretation of that individual, you could read the scriptures to some and there still going to be steadfast in their beliefs,in my opinion i don't need to tell someone something there doing is wrong, and frankly being judged or judging another is a not acceptable in Gods eyes, but you could always let the person know how/what you doing, show the scriptures tell what the bible says, we may both walk away feeling that were bothstill correct, i would probably do the same, but maybe, just maybe, one of us could pick up something we have never noticed or heard before, i did just yesterday, thanks brothers and sisters.
chuck you were one of the ones i learned something fromand
chuck in my opinion this is all you have done, who am i or anyone else to say you are not correct in your interpretation of the scripture, the scriptures do a very good job for themselves and you do a very good job of pointing them out, i hope you'll find some solace in the feelings of this group towards you, cause i really believe most here love your enthusiasm and knowledge, we just all see things a little differently,
btw i hope you hang around for a long time, i have enjoyed reading your post and will continue to read and study them....
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Chuck7 I have only posted a couple of times in the last week or to and you let them win. I will tell the people on this forum and you know who you are when I told you that my sister had cancer you were all there for me what happen have you lost the love of Christ in your heart you bunch of wishy washy christian I for one agree with chuck if this is what this forum is about then it is time for a lot of us to leave. there has been a lot of love lost here today I just hope you can find it again, are we not supose to build each one up not tear them down. LIKE EVERBODY ELSE THISMY OPINION WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
This is the in fighting that the mormons and any other church that does not beleave in the Bible and God want to see you are giving them the ammo that they need to point us as christians out and say do you want to be like them,. we need toshow them thru your works and faith in God and the love for our Brothers
let's watch as our brother is beatin
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