[align=left]THINGS THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN ON THE LAST DAY[/align][align=left]1. Jesus will not establish an earthly kingdom and begin to rule over it (1 Cor. 15:24-26).[/align][align=left]2. There will not be a secret rapture in which only the righteous are taken from the earth (John 5:28-29; Rev. 1:7).[/align][align=left]3. We will not live for another 1000 years on this earth (2 Peter 3:10-12).[/align][align=left]4. Jesus will not actually set foot on the earth again (1 Thess. 4:17).[/align]
Goose ,
Is this a Church of Christ view?
Brother Chuck
You folk who plan to reply to Goose ...please reply with one scripture at a time. This can be another great study. Goose has challenged me to not copy and paste other folks study but to read the 16 prophet books and Revelations one more time for myself. Ths Old Testament is very hard for me to understand so please forgive me for using other versions for the Old Test. As I began in Isaiah this morning I have already come across one portion of scripture we can comment on.
Isaiah 2 :2-5
2 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
3 Many peoples will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths."
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.
5 Come, O house of Jacob,
let us walk in the light of the LORD.
Goose,
I have to admit most of wha tI have learned about end time prophecy has come from othe rteachers. I have though studied Rev. and Daniel in depth in college. However; the 16 prophets I do believe have alot to say about the end times as well. As I explore from my daily reading of the prophets I will share. Please respond as I will be bumping this up until I finish . I will be reading 10 a day at least. I also need a good dose of the word anyway for my personal battle with theMY FLESH concerning the lust to eat. I know God'd Word in me daily will make me an overcomer.
Chuck
Chuck,
Thank you for taking this with a grainof salt! I am justtrying to show the "other" side of this doctrine. Your kind spirit willing to study is an example for me and everyone here.
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Is this a Church of Christ view?
As we are all automous,I can only speak for myself, but the majority of traditional churches of Christ do not accept the doctrine of premillinnialism. I would say this is not a "church of Christ" view,it is a Biblical view.
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Isaiah 2 :2-5
2 In the last days
the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established
as chief among the mountains;
it will be raised above the hills,
and all nations will stream to it.
3 Many peoples will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob.
He will teach us his ways,
so that we may walk in his paths."
The law will go out from Zion,
the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.
5 Come, O house of Jacob,
let us walk in the light of the LORD.
This is a prophecy of the church.
All nations will, and do, stream into the church, the "kingdom"
He will teach His ways, and direct their paths, the church accomplishes this.
Notice he says it will spread from Jerusalem, it did.
The church does settle disputes, brother may not sue brother, niether will one fight another as FAITHFUL brothers in Christ.
Thanks Chuck, this will be a good study. I'll post some scripture next time.
Trae
The church is not on a mountain, His Jerusalem is. We still train military men. At this time military training has ceased. I don't think you are correct on this verse Trae
Chuck
Goose ,
Where are you getting your interpretation of the scriptures from brother. I take this verse quite literal. I plan to make a nice folder of all these scriptures so I can do this one good time only.Thnaks for the challenge.
Chuck
Chuck,
Again, thank you for the patient and humble way you approach this topic! I too desire to be respectful and accepting of our difference of opinion. You have said many times, our friendship is more important than being right about a topic. Thank you buddy.
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Where are you getting your interpretation of the scriptures from brother.
I'm just reading without any preconcieved ideas. Because of my understanding of Revelation, I am not looking for the things you may be looking for. To me it is common sense and actually easy to understand. I'm going to try and explain it, but of course I am not some really smart guy, and I surely do not know everything, just call it as I read it. Let's see if I can word this right.....
I put Isaiah and Micah together in the way they explain things. They both saw the church as a house established on the top of mountains and exalted above the hills. They used a very familiar object, a house. They both announced: Isaiah 2:2-3 "It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it, and many peoples shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths." For out of Zion shall go the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem." AND Micah 4:1-2 "It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and it shall be lifted up above the hills; and peoples shall flow to it, and many nations shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem." Jerusalem was filled with houses, great houses, and of course God's House, the Temple built by Solomon. Lots of times the prophets use the idea of a house to tell about the church, which would be established in the last days by God. Their concept of the "house of God" actually being the church established in Acts 2 is again used by Paul, inspiried by the same God and Father:1 Timothy 3:15"if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of truth." When they speak of the house as being on the mountain, the concept is that it is exalted to the extent that it is above all other institutuions on the earth. When they say all nations will flow into it, that is the fact that the church is open not only to the Jew but the Gentile also! They tell how the people talk to one another and invite each other to come up to the mountain, that's the way the church is characterized by a strong evangelistic ministry. They use the phrase, "God will teach us His ways..." to say that the church will be dedicated to His truth and in building each other up by teaching His truth. A compelling circumstance is the fact that the New Testament DID, in fact go out from Jerusalem! Isaiah speaks of the peaceful, and non-militant attitude that is a part of the Christian attitude. Those who "flowed" into the house of God are those who have decided not to revenge themselves, they will, "turn the other cheek..." and even more the church is not characterized by fighting, but loving. That's what the part about the swords and plows means. I like the fact that Isaiah talks about the Lord's Supper and that Christians would take it on the first day of EACH week! Futher proving he is speaking of the church, not some world after a secret rapture. Isaiah 66:23 "From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh (Gentiles included)shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord." From Sabbath to Sabbath represents one week. I must go to an appointment, but I'll finish when I return. Talk to you later!
Trae
Thanks for reminding me of that .I am serious. Love is the greatest. I still plan to do the study . I read quite abit in the cafeteria today. I wa shoping a teacher would ask me about the Bible for I could witness to them. I am learning alot. I'm on chapter 9 of Isaiah.It also took my desire to eat lunch away. His Word has many benefits. Ok I will be nice to you .
Brothe rCHuck
That's great! Thank you! [8D] Chuck, you really impress me, I need to lose a little weight too, but I'm not so committed, as you are. But you are right, the word can influnce us to improve ourselves in every way! I'll continuewhat I was working on now....
About the Lord's Supper, Isaiah says in Isaiah 56:5 "I will give in my house and within my walls a memorial and anamebetter than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting namethat shall not be cut off." Of course the name that is better is "Christian" and the "memorial" is the Lord's Supper. To continue about the name "Christian" read Isaiah 62:1-2 "For Zion"s sake I will not keep silent, and for Jerusalem"s sake I will not be quiet, until her righteousness goes forth as brightness, and her salvation as a burning torch. The nations shall see your righteousness, and all the kings your glory, and you shall be called by a new name that the mouth of the Lord will give." The "everlasting name" that was to be given is the name "Christian"! See the folks baptized into Christ at Pentecost were called "believers" they were all Jews, but after the half-breds, (Samaritans) and espesially after Cornelius and his household were accepted as believers, the followers were then called "Christians", Acts 11:26. A name that included all races and nations! Just one more BIG deal, is the fact that under the Old Law a Eunch couldn't assemble with the others at worship. Deuteronomy 23:1 "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord." Isaiah tells of a time when that will no longer be acceptable, is he refering to a time that Christians haven't arrived at yet? No, he is reffering to a time, a time that started with the church at Pentecost, the church that Jesus said He would build and in fact did build. He is talking about the time that we still live under, not some future event that is still to come, but the LAST days, of which we are living right now. There is no "physical kingdom" BUT the church! The church is the institution that God had planned from Genesis 3:15, till the end of time to save the world with. NO secend chance, NO time to change our mind, No exception - Let me get to the point! If it is in this great kingdom that Isaiah has been talking about that a Eunch CAN have a part. Notice that Isaiah does say eunchs will have an opportunity to come to the House of God in Isaiah 56:3"Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, "The Lord will surely separate me from his people"; and let not the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." So when did God allow a eunch to come into Jehovah's House? Acts 8:26-40, as a Christian. As a member of the church of Christ. Gentiles could only stay outside the Temple to worship, but in the church, EVERYONE is welcome! It's an important thing to notice that this account of the Ethiopian eunch is one of the first accounts of conversion! Isaiah also shows how that all nations and tongues would come into the house of Jehovah and of them -(the Gentiles), "And some of them also I will take for priests and for Levites, says the Lord." Isaiah 66:18-21"For I know their works and their thoughts, and the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and shall see my glory, and I will set a sign among them. And from them I will send survivors to the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, who draw the bow, to Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off, that have not heard my fame or seen my glory. And they shall declare my glory among the nations. And they shall bring all your brothers from all the nations as an offering to the Lord, on horses and in chariots and in litters and on mules and on dromedaries, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, says the Lord, just as the Israelites bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the Lord. And some of them also I will take for priests and for Levites, says the Lord. Peter makes it really clear that we in this moment when he is inspired to say,"But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God"s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy"1 Peter 2:9-10. Isaiah is not talking about a reign of 1000 years that is not talked about but in ONE spot in the whole Bible! The church is the Kingdom of God! Once we see that the church IS the kingdom of God, everything makes so much more sense. Tell me what you think. Hope this helps.
Trae
Things that WILL and WILL NOT Happen!
[8D] Chuck, you really impress me, I need to lose a little weight too, but I'm not so committed, as you are. But you are right, the word can influnce us to improve ourselves in every way! I'll continuewhat I was working on now....
