Chad,
I was wondering how faith , conscience and the Holy Spirit all tie in. I believe you must start with you r God given faith. If faith calls things that are not as though they are, who are we to deny someone's testimonies of faith. As Dave H brought up. Killing is sin.Yet Abraham the Father of Faith heard God say to sacrifice your son. In obedience to that ,he became the Father of faith. Why then are we Christians scoffed at for believing God. I sincerely believe by faith bellievers hear the Holy Spirit. Those with out faith don't. Plain in simple. For you who say He doesn't speak today...you are right. He will not force Himself on you As a child you must come to Him believeing. The hearing we are all talking about is done through the avenue of faith.
God bless,
Chuck
Chuck Im not going to argue with you anymore I understand where you are coming from and I understand you call your conscience the HS talking to you. Taz said its not a real voice but a feeling that comes over you like "man Im glad I help that person" or "I need to clean that old ladies house", What Im confused about now is this statement......
Quote:
I sincerely believe by faith bellievers hear the Holy Spirit. Those with out faith don't. Plain in simple. For you who say He doesn't speak today...you are right. He will not force Himself on you As a child you must come to Him believeing. The hearing we are all talking about is done through the avenue of faith.
Are you saying you have more faith than us? If so, wouldn't this mean you are making yourselfa judge ofthefaith we have? I ask this being as serious as I can. Thank you, Caleb
Moose ,
Mine is more than a feeling. Through faith I believe God's word. All of it. There are 1000's of concepts tha tcan be practically used daily. The scripture says to let the Word of God dwell in you richly. His spirit leads me all the time. My FAITH believes that. I do not doubt that. My faith tells me that His his voice. The product of my faith proves it. The faith I hav eproduces good works. Tha tis why I know it's His Spirit. I'm am saying all this because something tells me yo may be a little interested. Moose I will be honest with you. Faith can also be presumption from wron gmotives. this is not a 24/7 perfect walk. Sometimes I miss it.It is Faith. We only have a measure, We are not robots. But I wil say I walk more in faith than in the flesh. But each day the road of the just gets brighter and brighter. Your faith and ears should get sharper and sharper to the things of the Spirit.
Love ya,
Chuck
Killing is sin.Yet Abraham the Father of Faith heard God say to sacrifice your son. In obedience to that ,he became the Father of faith.
Actually murder is sin, not just killing. If killing was sin, we couldn't swat a fly or enjoy hunting or fishing. I understand what you are saying though.
Abraham is a wonderful example of faith, but we cannot use the same situation. We know at that time God spoke directly to the leaders--they had no Bible.
Without going into deep detail, I've had times in my life where I begged God to tell me what to do. I wanted and expected to hear His voice, whether in my heart or even audibly. I don't think anyone has ever tried more earnestly than I did at those times. I came to realize that I couldn't see the forest for the trees--He did put the answers in front of me, all I had to do was read and study. I do not trust emotion--mine, yours, or anyone else's, especially when it does not follow scripture. The Bible tells us that at one time God spoke to us through the prophets, and we know from the Old Testament that He even spoke to people directly at one time, but in these last days has spoken (past tense) to us through His Son. He does not tell us anything else to the contrary. I won't listen to my heart, my mind, or my conscience if it is in contradiction to the Bible--or anyone else's.
As I said before, but don't recall any response: Just on this board there are several different faiths, and several people from different once believe that God speaks to them directly. That has to tell us one of two things: either God does not care how He is worshipped, or someone is mistaken. Now, if He does not care how He is worshipped, why would He not speak to everyone? God is no respecter of persons.
I haven't seen any replies to the example of Saul/Paul either. Could anyone argue that as Saul he was very devout, studied in Jewish law, God loving, God fearing, and doing all he could to serve God with a clear conscious?
I'm not in any way trying to get anyone to doubt, or loose faith. I just think our faith should be 100% directed toward God and His word, not at all in our own emotions.
Chad
__________________
"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Killing is sin.Yet Abraham the Father of Faith heard God say to sacrifice your son. In obedience to that ,he became the Father of faith.
Actually murder is sin, not just killing. If killing was sin, we couldn't swat a fly or enjoy hunting or fishing. I understand what you are saying though.
Abraham is a wonderful example of faith, but we cannot use the same situation. We know at that time God spoke directly to the leaders--they had no Bible.
Without going into deep detail, I've had times in my life where I begged God to tell me what to do. I wanted and expected to hear His voice, whether in my heart or even audibly. I don't think anyone has ever tried more earnestly than I did at those times. I came to realize that I couldn't see the forest for the trees--He did put the answers in front of me, all I had to do was read and study. I do not trust emotion--mine, yours, or anyone else's, especially when it does not follow scripture. The Bible tells us that at one time God spoke to us through the prophets, and we know from the Old Testament that He even spoke to people directly at one time, but in these last days has spoken (past tense) to us through His Son. He does not tell us anything else to the contrary. I won't listen to my heart, my mind, or my conscience if it is in contradiction to the Bible--or anyone else's.
As I said before, but don't recall any response: Just on this board there are several different faiths, and several people from different once believe that God speaks to them directly. That has to tell us one of two things: either God does not care how He is worshipped, or someone is mistaken. Now, if He does not care how He is worshipped, why would He not speak to everyone? God is no respecter of persons.
I haven't seen any replies to the example of Saul/Paul either. Could anyone argue that as Saul he was very devout, studied in Jewish law, God loving, God fearing, and doing all he could to serve God with a clear conscious?
I'm not in any way trying to get anyone to doubt, or loose faith. I just think our faith should be 100% directed toward God and His word, not at all in our own emotions.
Chad
Emotions "“ we all have them; unfortunately, there are times when they have us! Wouldn"™t you like to get control of them rather than them having control of you? You certainly can. But how? Mastering Life
This whole teaching stems from the revelation that we were designed by God to master life, rather than it mastering us"”that we were made in the image of God to reflect His power, His love and His authority in this earth. It starts in our emotions, or our soul, because God says in 3 John 2 "śI wish above all things that you would prosper and be in health, EVEN AS YOUR SOUL PROSPERS."ť So as your soul goes, the rest of your life follows.
God created us to be in control as He is. However, in our failure to control our own self, we attempt to control others, in order to feel the superiority that God created us to be in. Though perhaps currently displaced, it is God"™s will for us to get back on top in this life"”to reign in this life.
Mastering your emotions doesn"™t mean not having emotions. God designed us to express passion and emotion; but sin, the devil and the curse have perverted these emotions so that they will hurt us and hurt others around us.
__________________
Jesus said, "he who stands firm to the end will be saved" Mark 13:13.
Live Life in such a way that those who do not know Christ will come to know Him because they know you
DEALING WITH FEELING
I believe that we must recognize the legitimate role of feelings and experience in the Christian life. Those who attend churches which offer a feel-good brand of Christianity are not wrong in doing so. Can we blame people who come to the church seeking the experience of love, joy, peace, hope, and contentment in the midst of a world of confusion? Are we willing to acknowledge that perhaps in our zeal to be doctrinally correct we have ignored or even put down feelings and emotions? If visitors who are seeking a life-affecting experience with God come to our churches and observe that the people sitting in the pews express no different attitudes and emotions than the people in the world and that their worship of God is devoid of any feelings or emotions, can we blame them for going elsewhere? There is nothing wrong with Christians desiring feelings, emotions, and experience. In fact, the lack of any experience is in itself an experience. The lack of feeling is a feeling. The lack of emotion is an emotion. Any cursory reading of the New Testament demonstrates that love, joy, peace, hope, contentment are to be the Christian"™s experience, feeling, and emotion.
__________________
Jesus said, "he who stands firm to the end will be saved" Mark 13:13.
Live Life in such a way that those who do not know Christ will come to know Him because they know you
Chad....We hear His voice by faith...
[X(]
Heres my cute face lol
I understand what you are saying though.
