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Old 07-29-2005, 04:53 PM   #1
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I've been trying to study this subject. And believe it to be a big part of Gods plan of salvation for many people. Was curious if anybody has studied this subject much and would like to share their thoughts.
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I know some people don't like to read articles, those that don't like em can just over look emThanks, Caleb

Will There be a Millennium?


Many within Christendom are preoccupied with dispensational theology, having embraced the premillennial framework that teaches a coming "rapture," "tribulation," "antichrist," "Armageddon," and "millennium." The millennium refers to an alleged thousand-year reign of Christ on Earth in which He will establish a literal, physical kingdom, and rule from Jerusalem. Is a thousand-year reign of Christ on Earth taught in the Word of God? The reader is urged to consider the following observations.
In the first place, several contextual indicators within the book of Revelation militate against the application of the book"s contents to a yet-future time. For example, the events of the book of Revelation were to "shortly take place""an expression that occurs near the beginning as well as near the end of the book (1:1; 22:6). "Shortly" (en tachei) meant quickly, at once, without delay, soon, in a short time (Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 814). Moffatt gave the meaning as "soon." and noted: "The keynote of the Apocalypse is the cheering assurance that upon God"s part there is no reluctance or delay; His people have not long to wait now" (n.d., 5:335).
Other passages where the term is used, confirm that a brief length of time is intended"not merely the rapidity with which the designated events occur. Regarding those disciples who cry out to God night and day for His intervention, Jesus assured: "He will avenge them speedily (en tachei)" (Luke 18:8). What comfort would be afforded if Jesus intended to convey the idea that relief may be long delayed, but when it finally did come, it would come in a quick fashion? When Peter was asleep in prison, bound with two chains between two soldiers, and an angel awoke him by striking him on the side and instructed him to "arise quickly (en tachei)!" (Acts 12:7), would Peter have understood the angel to mean that he could continue resting or sleeping for as long as he chose, just as long as when he did get ready to get up, he came up off the prison floor with a rapid motion? When Festus insisted that Paul be detained in Caesarea rather than transferred to Jerusalem, since "he himself was going there shortly (en tachei)" (Acts 25:4), would anyone have understood him to mean that he may delay his visit to Caesarea by years? Paul even used the term in contradistinction with being "delayed" (1 Timothy 3:14-15; cf. White, n.d., 4:117). Additional occurrences of the expression further underscore the meaning of "soon" (Acts 10:33; 17:15; 22:18; Romans 16:20).
Another contextual indicator within Revelation itself is the occurrence of the phrase: "for the time is near" (1:3; 22:10). Thayer said "near" (eggus) refers to "things imminent and soon to come to pass" (1901, p. 164; cf. Arndt and Gingrich, p. 213). Such a reference would necessarily pertain to the first century"not the twenty-first. Two or three thousand years would be too late for the desperate Christians of Asia Minor (see Summers, 1951, p. 99). Those who get caught up in "millennium mania" seem oblivious to the fact that the book was written to an original, immediate audience. Revelation was, in fact, written to the seven churches of Christ situated in Asia Minor (1:4). All seven are even named (1:11)! If the book was written to them, and if it was their spiritual condition that was the concern of the book, millenarians are incorrect in their contention that the book is devoted primarily, if not exclusively, to predictions of the end times. Though the Old Testament prophets predicted future events on occasion, their primary message was relevant to their immediate audience. Dispensationalists have trouble finding in Revelation a relevant message for a first-century audience. The apostle John recognized their need, and identified himself as their "companion" in the terrible tribulation they were then enduring (1:9). Not only was this tribulation going on at that time, but John further referred to himself and his readers as being in the kingdom at that time (1:9). Thus, Christ"s kingdom was already set up, in existence on Earth, and in full operating mode.
In addition to these contextual indicators, there is the statement of the angel to John: "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book" (Revelation 22:10). What did the angel mean? What he meant becomes apparent when one reflects upon the fact that Daniel was told to do the exact opposite of what John was told to do. After receiving a remarkable series of detailed prophecies, Daniel was told to "shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end" (Daniel 12:4, emp. added). Furthermore, he was instructed: "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end" (vs. 9, emp. added). The reason Daniel was told to seal the book was because the fulfillment of the prophecies that had been revealed to him were hundreds of years off in the future"far from his own day. The predictions, therefore, would be of no immediate value to the initial recipients of the book. The book could be closed and placed on the shelf until those who would be living at the time of their fulfillment could appreciate the relevance of its predictions. In stark contrast, John was ordered: "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book" (22:10, emp. added). Why? The text answers""for the time is at hand"! These words can hold no other meaning than that the bulk of Revelation was fulfilled in close proximity to the time they were written.
Still another significant contextual detail pertains to the use of the impersonal verb "must": "things which must shortly take place" (1:1). Greek grammarian Ray Summers explained:
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The verb translated "it is necessary" or "must""indicates that a moral necessity is involved; the nature of the case is such that the things revealed here must come to pass shortly". The things revealed here must happen shortly, or the cause will be lost". They were in need of assurance of help in the immediate present"not in some millennium of the distant and uncertain future (p. 99, emp. in orig.).[/blockquote]
Indeed, the downtrodden, persecuted Christians of Asia Minor needed assistance right away. The dispensational framework would rob those first-century saints of the very comfort and reassurance they so desperately needed, deserved"and received!
One additional contextual feature is the use of the term "signified": "And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John" (1:1). This term, as is evident from the English translation, meaning "to show by signs" (Vincent, 1890, 2:564; Summers, p. 99). The term, along with the Greek word translated "revelation" (apocalupsis), introduces the nature of this book. The book of Revelation reveals or unveils God"s message through signs or symbols. Placing a literal interpretation on the numbers, animals, objects, colors, and locations of Revelation"as dispensationalists routinely try to do"does violence to the true intent of the book. John"s Revelation declares itself to be a book of symbols, filled with figurative language, and not intended to be taken literally. In fact, as Swete observed, "much of the imagery of the Apocalypse is doubtless not symbolism, but merely designed to heighten the colouring of the great picture, and to add vividness and movement to its scenes" (1911, p. cxxxiii). A genuine recognition of this realization of this self-declared feature of the book excludes a literal interpretation of the number one thousand.
In addition to these preliminary contextual details (which are sufficient of themselves to dismiss the dispensationalism scheme from the book), chapter twenty contains specific features that assist the interpreter in pinpointing the meaning of the symbol of a "thousand-year reign." It is surely noteworthy that in the entire Bible, the only allusion to a so-called thousand-year reign is Revelation 20:4,6"a fact that is conceded even by dispensationalists (e.g., Ladd, 1972, p. 267; Mounce, 1977, pp. 356-357). Yet an entire belief system has been built upon such scanty evidence. An examination of the setting and context yields surprising results. For example, a simple reading of the immediate context reveals that the theme of Revelation 20 is not "the thousand-year reign of Christ." Rather, it is "victory over Satan." Each of the symbols presents concepts that, when put together, relieve the fears of oppressed first-century Christians regarding their outcome. The key, abyss, and chain (vs. 1) are apocalyptic symbols for the effective limitation or containment of Satan in his ability to deceive the nations in the specific matter of emperor worship enforced by the government (see Swete, 1911, pp. xxxi, civ-cv). The symbol of one thousand years (vss. 2-7) is a high multiple of ten, representing ultimate completeness (see Summers, p. 23). John"s readers thus could know that the devil was to be completely restrained from deceiving the nations into worshipping the emperor. The thousand years symbolized the extended triumph of God"s kingdom on Earth over the devil, who was then operating through the persecuting powers of Rome. A thousand symbolic years of victory would lesson suffering in the minds of persecuted Christians.
"Loosing for a little season" (vs. 3) would have represented the revival of persecution under later emperors. "Thrones" (vs. 4) represented the victorious power of the oppressed. The persecuted saints were pictured on thrones, judging because of the victory of their cause. "Souls" (vs. 4)"not resurrected bodies, but disembodied spirits"represent those who were martyrs of the persecution. Their refusal to "receive the mark" meant they refused to worship Caesar, or to manifest those marks that would identify them as adherents of the false state religion of emperor worship. The "first resurrection" (vs. 5) referred to the triumphant resurrection of the cause for which the Christians of Revelation 20:4 had lived and died. Gog and Magog were symbolic of the enemies of God and Christ, the imagery drawn from Ezekiel 38 and 39. The "beloved city" (vs. 9) is an unmistakable reference to spiritual Israel, the church (John 4:20-21; Galatians 6:16).
Some allowance may be granted in the interpretation of these highly figurative symbols, without doing damage to other Bible doctrines, or reflecting adversely upon the Gospel system and the broader will of Deity. However, the thousand years must not be perceived as a yet-future period. There is simply no biblical support for doing so. The figure represents an important concept for those to whom it was first directed. It has meaning for people living today only in that context. There will be no one thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ on Earth.
REFERENCES

Arndt, William and F.W. Gingrich (1957), A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press).
Ladd, George E. (1972), A Commentary on the Revelation of John (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans).
Moffatt, James (no date), "The Revelation of St. John the Divine," ed. Nicoll, W. Robertson, The Expositor"s Greek Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans).
Mounce, Robert (1977), The Book of Revelation (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans).
Summers, Ray (1951), Worthy is the Lamb (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press).
Swete, Henry B. (1911), Commentary on Revelation (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel, 1977 reprint).
Thayer, Joseph H. (1901), A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1977 reprint).
Vincent, M.R. (1890), Word Studies in the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1946 reprint).
White, Newport (no date), "The First and Second Epistles to Timothy," The Expositor"s Greek Testament, ed. W. Robertson Nicoll, (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans).

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Old 07-30-2005, 09:08 AM   #3
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As I study the Word I see the 1000 year reign immediately after the 7 year Great Tribulation. Most other churches believe the same.

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Where I get discouraged in the book of Revelations is when I get hung up on whether something is figurative or literal. I hate to say it but I simply believe that it will all work out in the end. Unless I can draw a conclusion as to exactly what a scripture means I tend to not give an opinion.
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So what should be concluded from all of this? Before coming to a dogmatic millennial perspective, the lone fact that so many well-intentioned and intelligent Christians believe so variously when it comes to Revelation 20 must give us pause. The Book of Revelation itself is probably the most curious and oft-debated piece of the canon. This ought to place us in a position of caution when either accepting or dismissing another's interpretation.
As with any body of Christians, there are members of the Blue Letter Bible team with differing opinions on the matter. However, in light of all the Scriptures on the subject, the Blue Letter Bible feels that the most consistent viewpoint with a literal interpretation of the Bible is dispensational premillennialism. Our ultimate advice is to go to the Bible itself (Acts 17:11). The best way in which to interpret the Word of God is to see what it has to say about itself. And if, in the final analysis, you are yet undecided, do not fear for salvation is not built or broken on Revelation 20, but on the person of Jesus Christ.
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Old 07-30-2005, 11:22 AM   #6
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The bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of god. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life no man can come unto the father but by me. Every single person born will have to be cleansed with Christ blood for the father to accept us.I believe the hope for slavation for all those that lived and died before Christ paid the ransom will be resurrected at end of the tribulation and have their oppurtunity to come into perfection during Christ reign.Hebrews 10 1-4






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1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.All though these folks were repentant of their sins they still died in them.In Hebrews chapter 11 it speaks of many many people. 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, recieved not the promise.Meaning the Messiah.40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. It will be the job of us the writer of the book of Hebrews, Christ and the rest of us that were saved after christ paid the ransom to bring those not covered by Christ blood into perfection during his reign.In Acts 24 15-16 paulwrote 15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. 16And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.It sounds like Paul believes some will be resurrected that are not just but could be brought to perfection if they were resurrected during the reign.[/blockquote]
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the old test. saints that were saved are in heaven now just as we who are saved now will one day be..they were saved by looking ahead to what Jesus was to do onthe cross and wewere saved by looking back on what He did on the cross..meaning that we all trusted in Christ and repented of our sins and asked God to save us believing that He would..the only difference is we received the Holy Spirit at salvation and they did not..the law and the sacrifices were there to show the Hebrew believers how bad sin was in God's sight..God also showed them that onr day the true Lamb would come and be the true sacrifice for all mankind..they were instructed to have faith in the coming Redeemer..
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Brother Motor I respect your imformation and beliefs on this subject. I'm just an old country boy sharing scripture and trying to understand the bible as I learn it.The apostles were still all confused about Jesus heavenly kingdom until the Holy Spirit came upon them and filled them with knowledge on the day of Pentecost. In Acts 2 29-34 Peter said,29Men and brethren, let me F4 freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand. From this verse I don't believe David is in heaven. In John 3-13 John wrote13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven,but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is in heaven.
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bicuit, from one ole country boy to another,

So what should be concluded from all of this? Before coming to a dogmatic millennial perspective, the lone fact that so many well-intentioned and intelligent Christians believe so variously when it comes to Revelation 20 must give us pause. The Book of Revelation itself is probably the most curious and oft-debated piece of the canon. This ought to place us in a position of caution when either accepting or dismissing another's interpretation.
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Rebel Hog, your right I just get excited sometimes when I'm studing the bible and like to talk about it.John 16-25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. What a glorious day that will be.
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