I have been reading and studying the AKJV for over
40yrs and this has always been on the back of my mind.
Oil lamps were being used.
Candles were not invented when Revelations was written.
(Rev 1:12 NIV) I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me.And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
(Rev 1:12 KJV) And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Although the origin of candles is obscure, they are mentioned by Philon [b. Byzantium (Turkey), c. 280 bce, d. c. 220 bce] about this time. Some think candles were invented by the Etruscans. Tapers (wicks dipped in wax once) and wax-impregnated reeds preceded candles, but the earliest form of artificial lighting device was the oil lamp. Even at this time, and for the next 2000 years, lamps are preferred to candles as light sources.
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A simple change( a reflection of the time diffences involved?). If you dont mind A question- why do these kinda things matter?In the big picture of things? Is it because if one thing is wrong there could be others?And this will make believers doubt? It has many authors dosnt it?And they are men. I would personaly expect it to have mistakes& even maybe somechanges(all books written by men).
But thats just me &that is contary to what many seem to think here - "Its the perfect words of god& flawless"?( but im not sure why they think that(is it in the bible?)- that they are told the bible is perfect? Even it says men arent perfect right?(i can believe that)Why would a book written by men be perfect?
also something like i have heard ppl say i guess to- The bible - its all or nothing- )same idea i guess.
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I have been reading and studying the AKJV for over
40yrs and this has always been on the back of my mind.
Oil lamps were being used.
Candles were not invented when Revelations was written.
(Rev 1:12 NIV) I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me.And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
(Rev 1:12 KJV) And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Although the origin of candles is obscure, they are mentioned by Philon [b. Byzantium (Turkey), c. 280 bce, d. c. 220 bce] about this time. Some think candles were invented by the Etruscans. Tapers (wicks dipped in wax once) and wax-impregnated reeds preceded candles, but the earliest form of artificial lighting device was the oil lamp. Even at this time, and for the next 2000 years, lamps are preferred to candles as light sources.
Such things stem from the fact that the King James Version is just one of many translations. It is no more and no less authoritative than other translations.
Here are some other interesting thingsI have noticed asI read theKing James: Acts 9:7
And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. Acts 22:9
And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
(Obviously, both of those accounts cannot be true.)
Acts 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
(This is the only time that the pagan holiday "easter" is mentioned in KJV. The same Greek word is properly translated as "passover" in 28 other instances.)
Matthew 9:17
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
(Other versions use such words as "wineskins" instead of "bottles". They are correct to do so.)
Matthew 20:9-10
And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. [10] But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
(NIV and other modern tranlations use the word "denarius" instead of "penny". The "penny" was an unknown coin in those times. The "denarius" was an actual Roman coin.)
My point is this: Every Bible version is a translation from the original language.Not one of them is perfect in every way. In fact, the KJV is probably more inaccurate than some of the newer translations. That said, it is still God's Word. For those who do not have a working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew, it is good to compare many translations toobtain a fuller understanding of the meaning of the original words as the Holy Spirit uses them to show us God's truth.
Good post Clint. Even though I have done most of my scripture memorization in the KJV because of the way it's written, I usually do not use the KJV for study because of the way it's written. I use the NIV and NASB regularly as well and the RSV and NKJV because IMO, they are easier to understand. Using ALL of them gives a more complete picture and more clearly represents what God intended when HE inspired the original manuscripts. The orginal manuscripts ARE completely inerrant and ARE the inspired Word of God. Anytime you change the wording from the original, you risk altering the meaning somewhat. Every time I thought I had found a contradiction and checked it out, I discovered that it was MY understanding of it that was flawed--not God's word. Most translations are subject to simple mistakes that do not lead people down the wrong path. This does NOT mean we cannot take every word of it as true. Simple mistakes might exist, but they do not significantly alter the meaning enough to change the true essence of what God wanted us to know. He has made sure that we get what He wanted us to get.
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KJV is the closest to the original texts found. However since most of us do not speak in King James English anymore, other translations have been derived. I use the NKJ in my preaching only because it is understood better by those hearing the word. However for a deeper understand and word study the KJV is best,... But one thing we must all realize. There are a lot of God's people swallowing the fruit and choaking on the seed! I have heard some say, if it's not the KJV it's not God's word. But I like Paul would rather someone understand five words, than ten thousand words read and not understood. A good example is Heb. 1:1 KJV. God, who at sundry times and divers manner spake in the time past unto the fathers by the prophets. Heb 1:1 NKJV God, who at various times in in various ways spoke n the time past to the fathers by the prophets.... You and I may understand that completely, however most people are lost after a few words.. After all, the Bible is written for a specific purpose, that purpose would be defeated if not completly and thourly understood.
I also use both the KJV and the NKJV. I also like using the ESword that gman told us about on an earlier thread. It has over 20 different bible versions to compare with, plus many commentaries. I agree with DaveH that the bible is not contradictory, it is just the way mankind interprets it that can be contradictory.
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they are right it is in the way men wrote it from the hebrew text in hebrew one wood has a lot of meaning and was wrote the way they throughtit should be not always right but very close.
Rebel, I thought during the age of Nero, He used wax for light. Also didn't he kill the christians sometimes and hang them up soaked in wax and light them to light the way. I just couldn't imagine how grusom that could be.
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