Clean verses Un-Clean speculation

[mr-pirk]

Clean verses Un-Clean speculation
I have my own speculation as to the possiable "Whys" but they would most likely be considered very far out there at this point in time.
One thing I use this forum for is keeping me from getting to far off track.

The Book of Genesis tells us that Able was offering clean animals to God.
It also tells us that Noah was instructed to bring 7 each of the clean animals that were to be used as an offering to seal God's promise to Noah.

To me it shows that even at Adam"s time God had determined certain animals to be Un-Clean.

This leaves me with more than a few questions.

#1 Were the animals declared un-clean independant of anything Adam or man did?....my impression is Yes.

#2 Did God create the un-clean animals as being un-clean in it's original state?...I say No.

I don't believe God creates things that are un-clean. I don't believe Satan was created sinful, he became that way.

If you believe God created everything clean in the begining .....

what in your opinion caused the un-clean to become un-clean?

If you believe God created the un-clean animals as un-clean in the begining, what scripture are you basing your ideas on?

I am open to all ideas, the more I ponder this the farther "out-there" I get.

The reason I titled this thread with the word speculation is it is an area the Bible isn't clear about at all.

If it is clear about it to you and I have simply overlooked it please help me understand it better.

Thanks
Mr-Pirk

[Chuck7]

Mr. Pirk,
I read your post but haven't a clue concerning the unclean animals. Maybe unclean meant not normally eatten. Pure speculation. Or maybe food considered of value. I mean we only should give God things that are of value. Live stock and doves were of value. God desires our best.
Chuck

[Tazman]

Mr-pirk I speculate[8D]that the reason clean animals were only acceptable as sacrifice was they were an actual sacrifice of not only an animal, but one that could be safely eaten.

During Old Testament times there was no refridgeration nor proper cooking methods and as a result the animals deemed un-clean by God were those that if eaten could lead to disease or death. Man did not have the knowledge of this in those days, but God did, as a result he told man what was safe and what was not.

[Rebel Hog]

Bro.Taz, this is the way I understand it, or can speculate[8D]
I also beleive, this iswhy Jews and Muslims don't eat Pork.

[Leafrivermac]

Lol Taz, I love ya man, But I think that they did'nt have electricity until much later than the end of the writing of the New Testament. I don't have the answer nor do I have a speculation , so your one up on me. But I think maybe we should keep wondering because they did'nt have refridgeration when all things were made fit for meat.

[Tazman]

Leaf that is why it was speculating!!I like many others was grasping at straws there, but it could be (once again pure speculation) that the methods of cooking had advanced enough by that time that what had in the past (OT times) been "unclean" was "clean" if cooked properly. Pure speculation on our part, a question that will be answered onthe other side, the reasoning may knock all our socks off.

[DaveH]

Good thought provoking thread mr pirk.

I don't have the answer either, but I have noticed that many of the things considered "unclean" back in OT times were also physically dirty. A menstruating woman, for example, was considered unclean. Pigs love to play and roll in the mud. Rabbits carry a host of diseases, etc. I don't know, but this may offer some clue to the answer . . . or maybe not.






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[mr-pirk]

Thanks for the replies. I know I am asking for speculation and it something we are reluctant to do with scripture because that is where man gets into trouble most of the time.

Most of the replies seem to come at it from a practical stand point.
From my reading of the list of animals considered un-clean the list doesn't seem to point to the animal being dangerous to eat.
I had considered that meat eaters and carion<sp> scavenagers would be on list, but the list goes much beyond that.
I had considered the effect of Adam's sin on the animals but that didn't make sense because of the clean animals, if it were due to man's sin then ALL the animals would be considered un-clean.

Consider these two important things.

God doesn't seem to create things in an un-clean state.
The animals seem to be un-clean independant of anything man had done.

First speculation... If the animals were all created clean, and the un-cleaness didn't come from man's sinnor God.
Whodoes the bible show to be un-cleanat the timeof creation of earth and the animals?

Thanks
Mr-Pirk