John 10: 17-21 Christ's words are causing some to believe.

[Chuck7]

Good Morning Friends
10:17
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. In another verse it says that God raised Christ up. Here it says "œI might take it again. Let it be known...I do not know enough about the oneness of God and Christ to explain it. What I do ask myself is this: When a doctrine like this is brought up, which Leaf and Snooky have done, I need to evaluate that doctrine as to its importance, and as to whether it really has any bearing on my relationship with Christ. For me this oneness doctrine points out that Christ is not to be worshipped as a second rate person in Heaven but God Himself. But there are a lot of verses coming up concerning this and I really feel for me it won"™t effect my relationship with God one iota.if I understand it or not. I don"™t believe I will ever understand this mystery and I don"™t want to act like I do. I just appreciate Christ laying His life down for us. He truly is an awesome shepherd. And the sacrifice was so perfect that His sin still frees us and others from sin. He delivers us from all the wickedness of sin.

10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. He makes it clear as the good Shepherd that He willfully lays His life down for us. By the way. I"™ll be in church tomorrow. I thought about this as I plan to partake in the communion service tomorrow. I love that service. It"™s a wake up call for everyone to remember why we have church and what is our common denenominator. Christ Jesus is our common denonminator. He is what brings us all together in friendship on this Net.

10:19There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. Notice the ,"� Therefore again."� Why are there divisions. Simply because some get it and some don"™t. This time it wasn"™t miracles it was the Word of God. Folks ,we have that same word. And if we dare speak His Word to others we may hear these words ,"� and what must I do to be saved."� But we will never here those words until we line up our sights with God "˜s will and in faith"¦. speak .That same word has powder to save today.
John 17:20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;


10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? Those are the scoffers. When I first got saved I had many trying to talk me out of being a Christian. The more they did, the more real Jesus became in my heart. 1 Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.


10:21
Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? Good question fellows. Can the devil open the eyes of the blind.? NO WAY!
And if someone today would pray for someone and they would receive a miracle or healing, the same answer applys"¦"¦The devil did not do it. Only God /Jesus can do miracles. I know there are sincere devout Christians out there who believe the age of signs and wonders are gone. I am not trying to open up a can of worms here. However; I will say "¦just in case a sign or wonder should happen to cross your path ..please remember not to give the credit to the devil. Give it to the Good Shepherd..even if it goes against your personal theology.
Thanks for reading and have a great day,
Sincerely,
Chuck

[Rem1100]

ORIGINAL: Chuck7

Good Morning Friends
Can the devil open the eyes of the blind.? NO WAY!
Chuck

..I'd have to read THAT fact in scripture...I'm not so sure about that answer,Bro.....after reading everything he's already done..and what he's gonna do in the last days...oh how we under-estimate the opposition...been the downfall of MANY genius military minds in the past.
as for those professing Jesus... I can't help it..
I think of the 7 sons that got their clocks cleaned by the demon spirit..remember the story? They walked tall ........until.....
not sayin' you're one of those Chuck..but MANY professing WILL be.

[Chuck7]

..I'd have to read THAT fact in scripture...I'm not so sure about that answer,Bro.....after reading everything he's already done..and what he's gonna do in the last days...oh how we under-estimate the opposition...been the downfall of MANY genius military minds in the past.
as for those professing Jesus... I can't help it..
I think of the 7 sons that got their clocks cleaned by the demon spirit..remember the story? They walked tall ........until.....
not sayin' you're one of those Chuck..but MANY professing WILL be. Spoken by Brian

I only pasted it brother so I would keep on target.
Brother ........You just wrote I must see tha tin scripture. Twice we have already read in John where this subject was brought up. The blind man said
John 9:32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
9:33 If this man were not of God, he could do nothing. I presume since the jews did not correct this man that he was correct. NO one can give sight except God.

The 7 men who got beat up in acts has nothing to do with giving sight to the blind. That verse supports that the satanic world is real and youl'd better be walking in the spirit to deal with them. I agree to that 100%.
Chuck

PS Thanks for replying Brian..keeps me on my toes.

[Leafrivermac]

When a doctrine like this is brought up, which Leaf and Snooky have done, I need to evaluate that doctrine as to its importance, and as to whether it really has any bearing on my relationship with Christ. For me this oneness doctrine points out that Christ is not to be worshipped as a second rate person in Heaven but God Himself. But there are a lot of verses coming up concerning this and I really feel for me it won"™t effect my relationship with God one iota.if I understand it or not.

To me it seems that God's people have always been identified with a One-God message. God chose Abraham because of his willingness to forsake the gods of his nation and of his father and to worship the one true God.(Gen 12: 1-8) God chastized Israel every time she began to worship other gods, and polytheistic worship was one of the main reasons that God finally sent her into captivity (Acts 7 :43). Our Savior came into the world thru a nation (Israel), and thru a religion (Judaism) in which the people had finally purged themselves of polytheism. They were completly monotheistic.
We still today are serving the same God that declared Himself as one God thruout the Old Testament, and who manifested Himself in the flesh in the New. We are heirs of Abraham by faith . . . .this is really an exalted position for us Gentiles that demands that we still have the same monotheistic faith in the God of Abraham. We as christians cannot afford to cease to exalt and declare the message that there is only one true and living God.

And the sacrifice was so perfect that His sin still frees us and others from sin

This is a typo . .right. If not , please elaborate.

[Chuck7]

Brother Leaf,
I am just confused on places where Jesus is talking to God and saying things like " Why call me good , there is no one good except for God." There are alot of other tough verses too when talking about this subject. I honestly do not have a clear understanding of that matter. I've hearf it explaine dto me..it just doesn't settle.
Chuck

[Leafrivermac]

Hey Chuck, I'm headed to church and will try to reply to your last post when I make it back home.

[Chuck7]

OK I got back from church at 9:10
Nice service.
Chuck

[Leafrivermac]

Hey Chuck, you must be going to a big church that has several sevices thru the day. I'd be like your doing and take in the early bird service.
On this one point that you mentioned regarding Mathew 19:16-17.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
In the words of a common commentary " Christ did not intend here to disclaim divinity, or to say anything about his own character, but simply to reprove the intention and habit of the young man - a most severe reproof of a foolish habit of compliment and flattery, and seeking pompous titles.''
It was more like "do you really know who I am when you call me good?"
Surely Christ was not claiming that He was not good. To the contray He says that only God is Good and in these verses He shows that He himself is God in the flesh by the former reasoning"
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Chuck, I would be glad to try to help you with any verse such as this. I'm not saying that I know everything about this, but if I don't know Ill find out and we'll learn together. Many times a scripture will seem confusing because of our indoctrination and it can simply be explained from realizing that Christ was also a man as well as divine. So that He had a dual nature. For example . . .Not only was He tempted by the devil . . .but He cast out devils. Not only was He a sacrifice for sin . . .but He forgave sin. Not only did He pray (Luke 22:41) . . .He answered prayer (John 14:14).

[Chuck7]

Thanks Leaf,
I will be calling on your help later.
Chuck

[Snooky]

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above. Is healing a good gift? Then it did not come from the wicked one!