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Old 06-14-2005, 11:21 AM   #1
 
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Same-sex "marriage" is in the news a lot. Is homosexuality acceptable?
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Old 06-14-2005, 11:22 AM   #2
 
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Homosexual activists have achieved what Americans fifty years ago would have thought impossible and unthinkable. In addition to systematically securing legal sanction with the help of liberal judges who act as legislators, they are gradually convincing more and more Americans that same-sex relations should be accepted as legitimate behavior. In 1965, 82% of men and 58% of women said that homosexuality represented a "clear threat" to the American way of life. By 1993, only 66.3% of the American population believed that sexual relations between two consenting adults of the same sex were always wrong (Singer and Deschamps, 1994). A 2001 Gallup poll showed a continuation of a slow, but steady, liberalization of American public opinion toward homosexuality (Newport, 2001). A poll in the same year by the Barna Research Group found that nearly half of all adults (48%) believe that sexual relations between consenting adults of the same gender should be legal. Two years later, Gallup found that six out of ten Americans feel that homosexual relations between consenting adults should be legal. This is the highest level of acceptance of the legality of homosexuality that has been measured over the 26 years that Gallup has been asking such a question. A slightly smaller percentage (54%) says that homosexuality should be considered an acceptable lifestyle (Newport, 2003).

Observe the obvious erosion of American moral sensibility"from 82% to 46% in just 40 years. This alarming desensitization process is typical of human civilizations throughout history (cf. the Old Testament nation of Israel). Those who are ignorant of the past are indeed doomed to repeat it. The extent to which America has digressed from its original moral moorings becomes shockingly apparent when one examines the stance taken by American society for the first 150 years of its national existence. For example, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down a ruling in 1885:

For certainly no legislation can be supposed more wholesome and necessary in the founding of a free, self-governing commonwealth, fit to take rank as one of the coordinate States of the Union, than that which seeks to establish it on the basis of the idea of the family, as consisting in and springing from the union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony; the sure foundation of all that is stable and noble in our civilization; the best guaranty of that reverent morality which is the source of all beneficent progress in social and political improvement (Murphy v. Ramsey, emp. added).

And yet the current U.S. Supreme Court eliminated all state sodomy laws in 2003, opening the floodgates to the legalization of homosexuality and same-sex marriages state by state. Justice Scalia, who penned the dissenting opinion for his fellow dissenters, Justices Rehnquist and Thomas, correctly concluded that if homosexual marriages are to be legalized, no legal/rational basis exists upon which to forbid all other sexual relationships, regardless of the perversity involved.

State laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution...adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers" validation of laws based on moral choices. Every single one of these laws is called into question by today"s decision (Lawrence et al..., 2003, italics in orig., emp. added).

Scalia added: "This effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation.... [N]one of the above-mentioned laws can survive rational-basis review" (Lawrence et al. vs. Texas, emp. added).

How far are Americans willing to go? To be consistent, they cannot logically oppose any other form of sexual promiscuity. If a woman were to want multiple husbands, on what basis could anyone object? The same may be said for those who wish to marry their child, their sister"or their pet. Once the objective moral framework provided by God in the Bible is abandoned or brushed aside, the slippery slope to complete moral breakdown is inevitable. "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord" (Psalm 33:12). "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people" (Proverbs 14:34).

REFERENCES
Lawrence et al. v. Texas (2003), [On-line], URL: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/get case.pl?court=US & navby=c ase & vol= 000 & invol=02-102.

Murphy v. Ramsey (1885), 114 U.S. 15; 5 S. Ct. 747; 29 L. Ed. 47; 1885.

Newport, Frank (2001), "American Attitudes Toward Homosexuality Continue to Become More Tolerant," The Gallup Organization, June 4, [On- line], URL: http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/login.aspx?ci=4432.

Newport, Frank (2003), "Six out of 10 Americans Say Homosexual Relations Should be Recognized as Legal," The Gallup Organization, May 15, [On-line], URL: http://www.gallup.com/ poll/content/login.aspx?ci=8413.

Singer, Benett and David Deschamps (1994), "Gay and Lesbian Stats," The New Press, [On-line], URL: http://www.pflagupstatesc.org/statistics.htm.
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not to me it isn't! if it were not for the liberals with no morals it would not be an open issue.
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It's an abomination according to the Word of God. However; they are not unsavable. I've only knew a couple and both have died of aids. Sin is sin though and I don't think they shall be singled out. For me the Christian who sneaks on porno is just as lost. And the Christians who are gluttons,
drunkards, gossips are no better. Sin is unbelief. Either one is walking according to the Spirit or the desires of the flesh. There is no middle roador'gray' area. One of the wickest sin in the church is spiritual pride. Also; we cheer as one is free from drugs but then how many are destoying God's temple through the Satanic addiction of gluttony. Addiction is addiction whether it be sex, drugs or food.
In conclusion...all sin is wicked before God. It is the fruit of unbelief.

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God has a plan for dealing with sodomites. He has done so before. For now, we are commanded to love all people.

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What is a Sodomite?
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I will let the Lord's Word answer your question Chuck.

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The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. [2] "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."
"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."
[3] But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. [4] Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. [5] They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
[6] Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him [7] and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. [8] Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."
[9] "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
[10] But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. [11] Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

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And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; [2] And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. [3] And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
[4] But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: [5] And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. [6] And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, [7] And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. [8] Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. [9] And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. [10] But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. [11] And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.





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Old 06-15-2005, 06:49 PM   #8
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Same-sex marriage is wrong. Homosexuality if acted upon is a sin. Is it any worse than anyother sin we commit? I don't know.
I do know it is an activity I don't want to see promoted. I see no benefit to society as a whole by allowing same-sex marraige. It is a scary thought to think about the drag-queens I see marching in a Gay-Pride March raising children.
If I had children that were homosexual would I feel differently? I don't know. I know I would still tell them same sex relations is a sin in God's eyes.
I say that what is tolerated by this generation will be accepted by the next.
Folks say that what goes on between two consenting adults is thier own business, when it comes to homosexuals doing what they do I tend to agree. I do wonder how many other things this attitude will applied to next?
Should it be a concern to me if my neighbor decides his sheep look kind of sexy? What about if he decides to grow a little weed for his personal use?
One of the greatest dangers I see to allowing same-sex marriages is that once you say Yes to that group then how do you logicaly say no to multipule wives or multipule husbands or any other un-conventional arrangements?
What logic would you then have to rule No.
On what grounds would you rule against many lewd acts such as sex-partys or wife swaping clubs operating openly?
How do you say No to prostution? It is between two or more consenting adults.
Morals in this country need to be strenghtened. How would allowing same-sex marriage strengthen anyone morals?
I don't know if I have over-stepped the bounds on the posting rules for this forum or not, if I did please edit where neccessary.
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Old 06-15-2005, 07:02 PM   #9
 
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So true Mr. Pirk Take a look at my post on the politics page. Go Texas and Oregon!
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Old 06-20-2005, 09:02 PM   #10
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I agree with you mr-pirk ! Well said.
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