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Old 06-08-2005, 03:12 AM   #1
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Dear Saints,

6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? And at this time there were a lot more disciples than just the 12.You can see this in verse 66. A hard saying meaning one difficult to understand.

6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? Jesus although had come down here and put on the flesh He still had the power to see into the hearts of men. Remember this 1:48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.


6:62What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? And He tells them there are greater things in store.


6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Powerful verse. The very Words of God are Spirit. The word here quickeneth means to make alive. We need to put great value on God"™s Word. It brings life in our being.


6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. The all knowing Son of God knows our hearts.We can not fool Him. He knows who are His.He even called Judas knowing that He was of the devil.

6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. No man can come to God except by faith,And tha tfaaith is not of ourselves but the gift of God.Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:



6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. WOW! Here comes a church split and Jesus is the Shepherd. The disciples /not the 12 can"™t understand some doctrine and out the door they go. Did Jesus beg them to come back "¦no. Because salvation is a work of God. 1 John 2: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Jesus obviously is not trying to win a popularity contest here. He came to do the will of God and that is it.


6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. Peter understood what Christ was saying. An unlearned fisherman .but with "˜good soil"™ in his heart.For he heard the word and will bring about a harvest. He understood that Christ"™s words were life.

6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
And he says we believe and are sure. I trust that we can say the same thing"¦we believe and are sure that thou art the Christ ,the Son of the Living God. That is a bold statement in that time era . That is a bold statement in our time era. When is the last time that we confessed Christ publicly. Matthew: 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Don"™t be ashamed to confess His name.

6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
I believe He knew what Judas was before He chose him.


6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. Yet Christ continued on allowing the tare and wheat to grow together. Lesson here to be learned.

Folks, let's not be ashamed to confess Him this week. We have lots of opportunity each day to share our Lord with others.

Have a great day,
Chuck
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Old 06-08-2005, 07:29 AM   #2
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Another great post Brother! These good posts are why no one has wanted to take over for a couple of days. A different style and slant could ruin the work (completly unintentionally), that is being done here.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:13 AM   #3
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Thanks Snooky,
I saw something here that is contrary of Paul. Paul says if someone is going contrary to the gospel to mark them and advoid....

But in Jesus example ,Jesus knew that Judas was of the devil and let him fellowship all the way to the end. Can you please explain to me why the differences between Paul and Christ. I mean this is something new to me.

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Jesus really did practice the "judge not concept."
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Chuck; I don't think there is a contridiction between Jesus and Paul, I think it is just a matter of getting the understanding of what was spoken in each case and why. I don't know if I have the answer or not, but will give a couple of ideas to look at. Remember that Jesus was 100% man and at the same time 100% God. God was in Christ. I and my Father are one. The child born shall be called the Mighty God, ect. As God he had to know all things. God is all knowing. As man there were things that he didn't know in the fleshly body. No man knoweth the day or the hour, but the Father in Heaven. There also had to be one to betray him in order for the scripture to be fulfilled. Before the time of his betrayal of Jesus, Judas, although his heart may not have been right in the sight of God, was not engaged in trouble making and devision among the brethern. I think an indepth study concerning withdrawing and not fellowshipping another will show that it is based more on their troublemaking than on their unbelief.
Fellowship with unbelievers is essential to winning new converts to Christ. Fellowship with those who have not came to a level of knowledge that God would desire, is also necessary in order to lead them into more truth.
It is a different situation when one is active in spreading discord and division among the brethern and causing weaker brethern to fall.
May be this will provide a starting point for a more in depth study.
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Thanks Snooky,

Very well said.
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Fellowship with unbelievers is essential to winning new converts to Christ. Fellowship with those who have not came to a level of knowledge that God would desire, is also necessary in order to lead them into more truth.
Snooky those are true words of wisdom, we should always fellowship with the non-beleivers as long as they do not become a stumbling block in our walk with the Lord.
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