6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Much different from the faith of the women at the well, these Jews wanted to see another sign.
6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Actually Moses did not even touch the manna.God gave the bread from heaven. Here we have the Jews comparing Christ with Moses.
6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
The bread from the earth is threshed,winnowed,ground,kneaded and baked.However; The Bread from Heaven suffered ,died, and has become food for faith.
6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. Christ gives life to dead sinners. The word never doesn"t mean that we won"t thirst or hunger for righteousness any more.What it does mean is that "they shall not desire any other food but Christ; they shall be satisfied with him"
6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. So sad that these Jews can look with their natural eyes at the giver of life and doubt that He is the Messiah.What a contrast to the women at the well.
6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. You should feel pretty special if you"re a Christian. For the Father has ordained it. And a wonderful promise comes with it."I will in no wise cast out." I believe that God
's love goes a long ways.He has done all He can to save us.He has given us His son.He has sent and given us His Spirit to be our guide who will be with us to the end of the age. We are in His hand and no man can pluck us out.John10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 10:30 I and my Father are one. Some may say..but what about Judus. The studies I did state that obviously Judus wasn't a believer. He was into it for the benefits and benefits only.1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. This is how I see those who leave the faith.
6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. What is His will .It appears to be to preach the gospel,fulfill the law, work miracles and obtain redemption and salvation for His people.
6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. I like that LOSE NOTHING part. Jude 1 24To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy.
6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
In Conclusion..a bit of knowledge by Matthew Henry
The Father's will is, that not one of those who were given to the Son, should be rejected or lost by him. No one will come, till Divine grace has subdued, and in part changed his heart; therefore no one who comes will ever be cast out. The gospel finds none willing to be saved in the humbling, holy manner, made known therein; but God draws with his word and the Holy Ghost; and man's duty is to hear and learn; that is to say, to receive the grace offered, and consent to the promise. None had seen the Father but his beloved Son; and the Jews must expect to be taught by his inward power upon their minds, and by his word, and the ministers whom he sent among them.
Like I said before brother....thank you. I can see where I must have passed over alot of verses before because I'm seeing some things for the first time.
Chuck
Thanks for the encouragement
The studies I did state that obviously Judus wasn't a believer. He was into it for the benefits and benefits only.
I don't have my bible with me . .I'm sure scripture says that Judas was a devil from the beggining. I never really sat down to a study of Judas. I wonder tho what beggining was being refered to here. Judas was obvioulsly remorseful enough after he betrayed Christ. Or was he overtaken with evil spirits as portrayed in the "Passion" , driven mad maybe.(Yep, I wet to the theater and saw it.)
There seems to be a lot left untold about Judas's story.
__________________ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
To be honest with you Leaf some of the studies I use have a slant toward eternal security. I use some of them because they appear to have the most substance in them. I try to use a variety for I myself don't want to get too slanted. The reference about Judus came from such a study. And with the verse in 1 John I used I don't have a big problem with that.However; as you pointed out ,I would never take this to court.There is not enough evidense either way. Thanks for bringing this up. I should of clarified that in the study saying that " this is a calvenist view and not necessarily the view of the writer." LOL
I'm not trying to make a statement or anything . .nor do I even have a point. I find it interesting in that I had never noticed it before.
Joh 13:21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
Joh 13:22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.
Joh 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
Joh 13:24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
Joh 13:25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
Joh 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
Notice the sequence, scripture indicates when satan entered Judas, and then after satan entered Judas, Then Christ spoke to him in such a way as to indicate that he was already plotting, and to go ahead and do it.
Some things just get in my head and won't go away . .I'm just musing, with no apparent direction. Judas exposed, Satan taking him over, Christ is speaking to Judas/satan?, this thing that you have been doing, do it quickly.
__________________ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
First of all I love the questions/remarks. The more I study the Word the more I find out how lacking I am in understanding.
It appears here that Jesus knows the whole scope and sequence. The Old Testament also foretold the denial. The demons were subject to Him and He probably was telling them to let's get on with it.
One writer said it like this.."then said Jesus to him, that thou doest, do quickly;
this he said, not as approving his wicked design, and exhorting him to it as a laudable action, but rather as deriding him, having nothing to care about, or fear from him; or as upbraiding him with his perfidy and wickedness, and signifying that he should take no methods to prevent him, though he fully knew what was in his heart to do; and it seems also to express the willingness of Christ, and his eager and hearty desire to suffer and die for his people, in order to obtain salvation for them. "
Chuck
Thanks Chuck. Did you notice my post on the guy called Miracle in the Prayer Request thread. I'm having some real good fellowship and a great "people study" with this brother. He needs prayer.
__________________ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
John 6: 30-40 Jesus ,The Bread of Life.
