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Old 05-31-2005, 02:20 AM   #1
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Good Morning Hunters and Fishers of Men,
John 5:31-47

5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
5:35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.

31 Interesting concept. If I talk/ bear witness of my self my witness is not true.In these following verses Christ { who is still conversing with the Jews about healing on the Sabbath} is telling them about the witnesses that prove He is the Son of God/ or God in the flesh. Verses 32-35 says John was a witness of me/ a "œburning and shining light."
Look at the little gem inside of 34... "œ but these things I say ,that ye might be saved." What things? All things, the hard exhortations, the rebukes, the words of wisdom ,the words of comforts etc. These Words were written that we might believe/thus saved.


. 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
The very signs and wonders are also a witness.His greatest work ,dying on the cross is a witness. These witnessed to the fact that Jesus was God in the flesh.

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
9:32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
9:33 If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.



5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. Jesus tells the Jews that they do not know the Father. He will explain what He just said in the verses to follow.

5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.


That baffled me some because I know the Pharisees knew their scripture extremely well. They even carried rolled up scriptures in their phylacteries { a small container that held small pieces of scripture} However; the Word did not "œ abide"in them.Greek word for abide is meno "¦dwell, ENDURE , REMAIN, or Tarry. When the Word ENDURES in us it means we don"™t shrink back into our old mode when we don"™t feel spiritual.I am guilty of that. If the Word abides we are not "œdouble-minded."
He tells the Jews you look for eternal life in the scriptures and the scriptures also bear witness of Christ. The teachings of Moses pointed to Jesus.


5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.



5:41 I receive not honour from men.
5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

In order to truly honor God alone you can not be a man pleaser.

Galations 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

That was another problem of the Pharisees.They loved the praise of men.We all do to some degree. However; fame is short lived and I generally lose when I play that game. You know you are on the right track when you are no longer a men pleaser. Man can never give you what you truly need.




5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Faith and Love go hand and hand. Gal.5:6 "œfaith worketh by love." It stands to reason that if you have no love that you would have no faith either. So I "˜ve learned something else.It"™s more than just reading the Word. The Word has to abide in us.These Jews are a shining example of having the Word in their heads but not their hearts. Jesus said He comes in His Father"™s name.Is His Father"™s name Jesus? Good question for Leaf or Snooky. They have studied in depth the Oneness message.



5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Jesus said Moses will be the one who will accuse you because the writings of Moses spoke about Christ.

In conclusion"¦.We need to make sure the Word is more than just in our heads, it must be abiding in us. Our lives will reflect what is really in our hearts. By looking on the forum we all need prayer. As you think about your brothers here, you may want to say a prayer for them.

Have a wonderful day and let your light shine,
Brother Chuck



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Old 05-31-2005, 04:01 AM   #2
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In conclusion"¦.We need to make sure the Word is more than just in our heads, it must be abiding in us. Our lives will reflect what is really in our hearts. By looking on the forum we all need prayer. As you think about your brothers here, you may want to say a prayer for them.
Id think that be true- in most cases anyways-....but then again dosnt always work that way, things arent aways what they seem


I know im to much a realist/pessimist- but im a optamist to& always have hope.I even pray sometimes(ussally for others). i dont know if there heard or answered....I have many questions too-But dodnt seem like many answers make sense.

I dont know how to have faith without question i dont think - with the many doubts& questions& a god i cant see& dosnt answer i know many say they see or feel him everywhere-that seems impossible- but i dont doubt it all either.

Death^& fear dont motavate me- i wish i could explain it better
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Old 05-31-2005, 04:20 AM   #3
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I dont know how to have faith
That is an awesome statement. It reminds me of this fellow in the Bible.
Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
M Fish you can be real with God. Pray that prayer.Lord ...help thou my unbelief. We come to Jesus just like we are Mr. Fish. Actually you are at a very good place in your life. I'm not going to preach to you. I believe God is working in your heart and I don't want to get in the way.
Thanks for reading the Bible Study. You are in my prayers.
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Old 05-31-2005, 04:45 AM   #4
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Brother Chuck excellent lesson today, how true it is when Christ says that it is in your heart and not your head. I like many others sometimes do not carry my faith in my heart, but in my head. The heart is where faith is and should be, book learning, be it the Bible or technical is worthless if it is in your head and not applied.
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Old 05-31-2005, 04:49 AM   #5
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Amen, good to have you bad sir. You are mised on the weekends but we understand.
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Amen, good to have you bad sir.
Some how Brother Chuck I think you meant "back" instead of "bad"!!!![8D]
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Old 05-31-2005, 07:24 AM   #7
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I did.Sorry
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Chuck; A son receives his family name from his Father. Jesus taught his followers to pray, "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name". The Father has a name. Jesus said "I am come in my Fathers name". The Angels declared that his name was to be called Jesus. The name Jesus simply means, Jehovah is become my salvation, thus the Word was made flesh. There is none other name under heaven, given among men whereby we must be saved. Neither is there salvation in any other name. Is. 9:6 plus Rev 1:8 and Jo 10:30 will help to explain this. Eph 3:14-15 tells us that the whole family in Heaven and earth are named after the Father of Jesus. Just a few scriptures off the top of my head. This would be a great discussion in itself.
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Snooky,
Thanks for the excellent word and making it clear.
There is power in the name of Jesus.

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very good lesson Brother Chuck! I need to get it into my heart.
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