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Old 05-28-2005, 08:47 PM   #11
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Moose, my father and all his family are from Asturia Spain. Asturias was founded
by the Celtics and the Vikings. I know a little bit of the bloodline of them. Most
of my cousins have blonde hair and blue eyes and some have red hair and green
eyes, but we are Spanish.
I know all about the Kennethton Stone found in Minnesota and all about the Celtics
and the Vikings.That's besides the point.
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How is that beside the point? Icelanders were here first, C. Columbus had contact with the Icelanders and soon after he went in search of a western route to India. you think it was the bible that gave him inspiration over these facts? You gotta be kidding yourself.
You give that book more credit than it is due.
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I never said it was fact just a thought friend! Believe the bible or you will believe anything!
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Reb, It was actually the ancient Greeks that determined the Earth was a sphere and fairly acurately determined its circumference by simultaneously measuring the lengths of shadows cast at noon on the Summer Soltice at Alexandria and Thebes in Egypt and then using Trigonometry to solve for the circumference of the Earth.
Yeah, it was the famous Greek scientist named Eratosthenes. He calculated the circumference of the Earth with amazing precision. The reasoning he used is similar to using a single slice of pie to find the circumference of the total pie. If you know how big the slice is, and you know how many slices are in the pie, you can calculate the size of the whole pie. Applying geometry and cleverness, Eratosthenes found the circumference with astonishing accuracy roughly 1,700 years before Columbus was even born.

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Columbus got the idea that the earth was round from the Bible.
Well, the fact that the Earth is round was observable to most people of Columbus's time, particularly sailors. People such as sailors thought the Earth was round since they observed ships as they moved towards to the horizon. Their sails appeared to plunge into the ocean.

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40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Actually, a circle is a flat two dimensional object and there was a Hebrew word for ball which would have been more suitable if the author would have been knowledgeable of the Earth"s orbicular nature.

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4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. (4:10-11, 20)
4:11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:
Here the author of Daniel spells of a dream of Nebuchadnezzar where a tree springs up at the midst of the earth. Notice that the tree grew so tall its tip extended to heaven and was seeable to the "ends of the earth". Of course, this is only possible on a flat earth. So these verses suggest that Nebuchadnezzar and the author of Daniel envisioned a flat earth as everyone else did in their time.

Now, let"s suppose the authors actually did suggest a sphere. They are still incorrect since it"s an oblate spheroid.
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Old 05-28-2005, 11:27 PM   #15
 
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Reb, I for one thank you for the post I like it and I know that Isaiah 40:22 is a wonderful example to unbelievers that yes, there is a God.
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Reb, I for one thank you for the post I like it and I know that Isaiah 40:22 is a wonderful example to unbelievers that yes, there is a God.
How does this prove that there is a deity? Someone can easily observe that the Earth is orbicular since that someone can observe the Earth"s shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse. Ancient Greek astronomers noted that throughout the time of lunar eclipses the edge of the shadow was always round therefore they reasoned that the Earth was ball-shaped. Every single year there are at least two lunar eclipses.

Keep in mind that it wasn"t until 1543, more than fifty years after Columbus navigated the ocean blue, that the world heard the crazy ideas of Copernicus i.e. that the sun, not the Earth, is at the center of our solar system, and day and night are caused by the gyrating of the world that seems so static below our feet.

Moose75, doesn"t the Bible speak of the four corners of the world which cannot exist on an orbicular Earth? Doesn"t the Bible depict the sky as a dome or vault over the Earth rather than a sphere around the Earth? Didn"t Daniel see a tree "in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great... reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:" That can only occur on a flat Earth. Didn"t the Devil take Jesus "to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor;"? That is only possible on a flat Earth, and impossible on an orbicular Earth.
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Salvan or however you spell it AKA Alpha1 why even make a goofy statement like that? LOL

BELIEVE THE BIBLE OR YOU WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING!
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Salvan or however you spell it AKA Alpha1 why even make a goofy statement like that? LOL
I am not Sylvan! Why is it goofy? Why did you resort to an ad hominem attack? Moose75, don"t you see the irony i.e. the flat-earthers disagree with you?
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Sylvan yeah thats how you spell it well any who welcome back! No attack ment imho it was funny.
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