In 2 Kings 2, forty-two boys made fun of Elisha for being bald. The prophet then called bears out of the woods to attack the boys as punishment for their disrespect. Isn"t this morally evil"for God"s representative to take vengeance on these boys for such an insignificant thing?
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them (2 Kings 2:23-24).
Laws were a bit more strict under the Old Testament. I'll have to look it up, but I am 99% sure there was a command to stone disobedient children under the law. Wouldn't be too many kids left around these days if that was still in effect!
Chad
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A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
In 2 Kings 2, forty-two boys made fun of Elisha for being bald. The prophet then called bears out of the woods to attack the boys as punishment for their disrespect. Isn"t this morally evil"for God"s representative to take vengeance on these boys for such an insignificant thing?
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them (2 Kings 2:23-24).
Not at all Moose. You have to take into account that in that day and for whatever purpose it was nessessary in God's eyes that rebellion and disrespect not be tolerated . I guess this old world had too far to go to allow such a thing so early in the game.
Deu 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Deu 21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
Deu 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
Deu 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Exo 21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
Exo 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
__________________ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them (2 Kings 2:23-24).
Atheists have appealed to this incident in an attempt to involve the Bible in moral difficulty. A careful consideration of the facts, however, will dissolve the problem.
First, the translation, "there came forth little children out of the city" (KJV) is an unfortunate rendition (cf. "young lads""ASV, or "youths""NIV, NKJV). The Hebrew word rendered "children" derives from na"ar"used 235 times in the Old Testament. Na"ar is a very broad root word, and can have reference to anyone from a newborn child to an adult. Further, the Hebrew word rendered "little" comes from qatan, and generally means young or small. In commenting on this term in 2 Kings 2:23, the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament remarked:
Elisha being taunted (cf. qalas, qarah) by young lads (perhaps teen-age ruffians) (II Kgs 2:23) who as members of covenant families ought to have been taught God"s law whereby cursing his servant was tantamount to cursing him and rightly punishable by death (qalal) (Harris, et al., 1980, 2:795).
Obviously, therefore, the immediate context in which na"ar is used will determine the maturity of the subject so designated.
Second, the young men of Bethel mocked Elisha. The Hebrew word qalas means to scoff at, ridicule, or scorn. The term does not suggest innocent conduct. Note the Lord"s comment elsewhere: "They mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and scoffed at his prophets, until the wrath of Jehovah arose against his people, till there was no remedy" (2 Chronicles 36:16).
Too, the expression, "Go up...Go up," is held by many scholars to reflect the wish of these young men that the prophet go ahead and ascend (as did Elijah"2 Kings 2:11), i.e., leave the Earth, that they might be rid of him! Also, the taunt, "thou bald head," was likely a reproach. Old Testament scholar John Whitcomb has suggsted that this was an expression "of extreme contempt. They were pronouncing a divine curse upon him, for which baldness was often the outward sign (cf. Isaiah 3:17a,24)" (1971, p. 68).
Third, when it is said that Elisha "cursed them," there is no implication of profanity (as our modern word suggests), nor was this a venting of passion for personal revenge. Holy men of God sometimes were empowered with divine authority to pronounce an impending judgment upon rebellious persons (cf. Genesis 9:25, 49:7, Deuteronomy 27:15ff., and Joshua 6:26). Christ uttered a curse upon the barren fig tree (Mark 11:21) as an object lesson of the doom that was to be visited upon Jerusalem. Also, it is stated clearly that Elisha"s curse upon them was "in the name of the Lord," meaning by "divine appointment, inspiration, authority" (see Orr, 1956, 4:2112).
Fourth, the tragedy that befell these young men obviously was of divine design. Elisha, as a mere man, would have no power to call forth wild animals out of the woods merely at his bidding. But the sovereignty of Jehovah over the animal kingdom frequently is affirmed in the Scriptures. God sent fiery serpents to bite the Israelites (Numbers 21:6); the Lord slew a disobedient young prophet by means of a lion (1 Kings 13:24ff.); yet, He shut the lions" mouths to protect Daniel (Daniel 6:22). He prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah (Jonah 1:17), and guided one to Peter"s hook (Matthew 17:24ff.). Clearly, therefore, it was Jehovah who brought those bears out of the forest.
Additionally, if, when the divine record says that the bears "tare" the lads, it means they were killed (and not all scholars are sure that death is indicated), then it was a divine punishment. As Alfred Edersheim has written: "[i]t should be noticed that it was not Elisha who slew those forty-two youths, but the Lord in His Providence, just as it had been Jehovah, not the prophet, who had healed the waters of Jericho" (n.d., 6:107).
It is the general view of conservative Bible scholars that the young men of Bethel likely were idolaters whose reproaches upon Elisha were expressions of contempt for his prophetic office, and thus, ultimately directed at the God Whom he served. Thus, their punishment was a divine judgment intended to serve as a dramatic example in horribly wicked times.
Thanks Leaf--that's exactly what I was referring to. Those examples are some of what I was referring to when talking about us not being under the Old Law anymore--I could be wrong, but I don't know of Christ or any of the apostles refuting these laws, but we know we are no longer under them.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Thanks Leaf--that's exactly what I was referring to. Those examples are some of what I was referring to when talking about us not being under the Old Law anymore--I could be wrong, but I don't know of Christ or any of the apostles refuting these laws, but we know we are no longer under them.
Chad
Your right LBR, Of course we all realize that we are not under the law anymore. But . .we can look at these passages and see certain things that we can use to know the mind of God concerning children being rebellious to their parents, etc. Naturally, we should'nt follow the letter of the law and have them stoned but we would be safe to assume that we are expected to take corrective measures to ensure that our children will have respect for us and for other adults, and most especially a man of God.
__________________ And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
This is a great story! Man If God worked today like He did back then Where would we be?
Not nearly as many kids, and the ones that were left would be a lot more respectful!
Leaf, I agree. I have never said the scriptures from the Old Testament should be discarded or ignored, just that we cannot look to them to justify our worship today. They were set aside for our leaning.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Elisha, kids, and bears???
