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Old 05-25-2005, 09:05 AM   #1
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This is interesting! I thought you all may like to see it. Kinda encouraging, and discouraging at the same time!
By JOSH HUMPHRIES Daily Courier Staff Writer
FOREST CITY -- A sign in front of a Baptist church on one of the most traveled highways in the county stirred controversy over religious tolerance and first-amendment rights this weekend.
A sign in front of Danieltown Baptist Church, located at 2361 U.S. 221 south reads "The Koran needs to be flushed," and the Rev. Creighton Lovelace, pastor of the church, is not apologizing for the display.
"I believe that it is a statement supporting the word of God and that it (the Bible) is above all and that any other religious book that does not teach Christ as savior and lord as the 66 books of the Bible teaches it, is wrong," said Lovelace. "I knew that whenever we decided to put that sign up that there would be people who wouldn't agree with it, and there would be some that would, and so we just have to stand up for what's right."
Seema Riley, a Muslim, who was born in Pakistan and reared in New York, was one of those upset by the sign.
She moved to Rutherford County for the "small town friendly" atmosphere, she said. When she saw the sign on the side of the highway Saturday she felt angered and threatened.
"We need a certain degree of tolerance," said Riley. "That sign doesn't really reflect what I think this county is about."
She said that according to Islamic faith, a follower does not even touch the Koran without going through a ritual cleansing. Muslims believe the physical book to be a sacred item that is treated with respect and reverence, much like the image of Jesus in Christianity, according to a report on National Public Radio.
"For someone to put that sign up -- the person just didn't understand -- didn't take into consideration what putting up that sign means," said Riley. "I don't think it should be posted on a sign in public viewing on the highway to create a hostile environment for me."
The appearance of the sign follows a national news story from last week. Newsweek magazine retracted a story reporting that military guards at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay flushed a copy of the Koran down the toilet during interrogation of a detainee. The Newsweek story sent Washington in a frenzy and was blamed for igniting Muslim riots and deaths abroad, including a particularly violent outburst in Afghanistan.
"Our creed as a Christian, or a Protestant, or a Baptist church -- of course we don't have a creed but the bible -- but we do have the Baptist faith and message that says that we should cling to the 66 books of the Holy Bible and any other book outside of that claiming to know the way of God or claiming to be God's word is automatically written off and is trying to defeat people from the way of true righteousness inside of our viewpoint in how we view the word of God," Lovelace said.
"Putting such a sign in a public place is an un-American example of intolerance, of aggressive disrespect for other citizens' deeply held views," said Donald Searing, Burton Craige Professor of Political Science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "This is the sort of attitude and action that seriously endangers the liberty which lies at the heart of our democracy. It is also a good reminder that just because one may have the legal right to say something, doing so may not be morally, socially or politically desirable."
When Lovelace was asked whether he considered before he put the sign up that there may be some consequences or that some people may be angered, he said he was aware of the likelihood of angering some people.
"Well, I thought about it and I said there may be people who are offended by it but the way I look at it, Jesus told his followers that if the world hates you, don't feel bad because they hated me first," said Lovelace. "If we stand for what is right and for God's word and for Christianity then the world is going to condemn us and so right away when I got a complaint I said 'well somebody's mad, somebody's offended, so we must be doing something right.'"
Danieltown Baptist Church belongs to the Sandy Run Baptist Association and the association's Director of Missions the Rev. Jim Diehl said that Lovelace's opinion does not necessarily reflect that of that organization.
"Each of the churches of the Sandy Run Baptist Association are autonomous bodies," said Diehl. "Each church can develop a stance on doctrinal issues and can develop its own stance on moral issues."
The Rev. Billy Honeycutt, of the Green River Baptist Association said that he hopes that those who see the sign keep tolerance in mind.
"Respecting religion is important and respecting other people is important," said Honeycutt. "Hopefully, a lot of people will have that thought when they see the sign."
Following the religious controversy at a church in Waynesville where several members were asked to leave in what was termed a dispute over politics, several groups threatened to boycott the entire town due to the actions of one preacher.
Director of the Rutherford County Chamber of Commerce Bill Hall said he does not think that the Danieltown sign will have a negative impact on the county's tourism or economic vitality.
"It is unfortunate that things like that happen and it certainly doesn't represent Rutherford County," said Hall. "I think that most people will understand that that is not a common attitude in this community."
Lovelace said he felt it was the work of God to display the sign and that no one in the church has spoken up against it to him.
He said the church has 55 members on the roster and he has only received one angry phone call since the sign was posted.
"We have a good group of people," said Lovelace.
Lovelace said the sign changes every week.
"About Friday or Saturday we will have a new sign," he said. "It should state to some effect 'Where are your treasures? Are they at the flea market or are they in heaven?'"
Lovelace said that he does not have anything against the flea market that recently opened up down the street from the church.
"I enjoy a good flea market, but if people can be down there at eight o'clock why can't they be at church at 11," he said.
Contact Humphries via e-mail at jhumphries@blueridge.net

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Old 05-25-2005, 09:10 AM   #2
 
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as long as no one cares if they put up a sign that says the bible needs to be flushed...

i wouldn't suggest flushing either one...your toilet will clog up.
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Old 05-25-2005, 09:40 AM   #3
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And we wonder why somes Christians are called intolerant!!!!!
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Old 05-25-2005, 09:46 AM   #4
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You'll just have to call a plumber!

How would Christians feel if it was the other way around?
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Old 05-25-2005, 09:53 AM   #5
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Hey, I just heard a Muslim Cleric on "The Laura Ingram Show" say that the Bible is NEVER tolerated in the Middle East. He said in Saudi Arabia (our friends? allies?) that the Torah and the Bible are burned whenever one is found. It is against the law to even have one in some of these Arab countries. Not too long ago, Sadam Hussain spit on the Koran! But his name is honored in many Arab states! Inconsistant, but aren't we all?
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And we wonder why somes Christians are called intolerant!!!!!

Elijah- intolerant of Jezebel

Paul- intolerant of witchcraft books

Thomas Jefferson- intolerant of King George III

George Washington- intolerant British troops

Frederick Douglass- intolerant of slavery

Susan B. Anthony- intolerant of men only voting

Amy Carmichael- intolerant of child prostitution

Dietrich Bonhoeffer- intolerant of anti-semitism

Winston Churchill- intolerant of Hitler

MLKJ- intolerant of segregation

Lech Walesa- intolerant of communism

Mother Teresa- intolerant of abortion

Sometimes being intolerant is a good thing. In todays world right is wrong and wrong is right.
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Yes Moose, the KKK is also very intolerant in this country also.
If a Muslim Temple were to place signs like that here....quess what!
What did the KKK do to so many Black churches in the South?
They hate Muslims even more! They will start a Holy war in this
country against all Muslims, good or bad.
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Goose either the Muslim cleric you heard is a fake or has been smoking crack, but that is a blatant lie! There may be individual Muslims that would do such a thing, but just like the preacher who put up that sign, they are not following thier faiths teachings.

Moose you are right, there are cases where intolerance is or can lead to a good thing, but as Rebel Hog pointed out there is bad intolerance also.

Christ showed intolerance of things happening in his Fathers house, but he did not go about attacking or destroying those of different faiths, nor did the Apostles, they did defend the sanctity of thier houses of worship just as any one would and should.

BTW do not forget that the KKK professes to be Christians, are they following the teachings of Christ?
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BTW do not forget that the KKK professes to be Christians, are they following the teachings of Christ?
No, they are not!
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Goose either the Muslim cleric you heard is a fake or has been smoking crack, but that is a blatant lie!
Really? Wow! Why would he do that? I don't know that much about those places. I just heard it and thought I'd tell y'all because I had just posted this thread! Thanks for the clearification.
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Here's a couple things I found that deal with the tolerence issue.


http://www.binoria.org/albineng/june98/islam.html

Intolerance cannot be ascribed to a book which altogether excludes com-pulsion from the sphere of religion.

"There is no compulsion in religion." (2:256)

In fact the Holy Quraan is full of statements showing that belief in this or that religion is a person's own concern and that he is given the choice of adopting one way or the other.

"The truth is from your Lord, so let him who wishes believe and let him who wishes disbelieve" (18: 29).

Thus the commonly held belief that Islam means forced conversion and strict enforcement of religious practices finds no basis in the main source of Islamic teachings that is the Holy Quraan.
Respect for other religions

Even in the case of religious houses of worship the Holy Quraan specifically mentions that the Muslims are not to harm any places of worship not only of the Jews and Christians, but even idol worshippers and they are to respect their beliefs.

"And abuse not those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they abuse Allah through ignorance" (6:108)

The Ayat clearly stops Muslims from even criticising the beliefs of others let alone harming their places of worship.

One of the commonest charges brought against Islam historically, and as a religion, by Western writers is that it is intolerant. This is turning the tables with a vengeance when one remembers various facts: One remembers that not a Muslim is left alive in Spain or Sicily or Apulia. One remembers that not a Muslim was left alive and not a mosque left standing in Greece after the great rebellion in l821. One remembers how the Muslims of the Balkan peninsula, once the majority, have been systematically reduced with the approval of the whole of Europe, how the Christian under Muslim rule have in recent times been urged on to rebel and massacre the Muslims, and how reprisals by the latter have been condemned as quite uncalled for.

In Spain under the Umayyads and in Baghdad under the Abbasid Khalifas, Christians and Jews, equally with Muslims, were admitted to the Schools and universities - not only that, but were boarded and lodged in hostels at the cost of the state. When the Moors were driven out of Spain, the Christian conquerors held a terrific persecution of the Jews. Those who were fortunate enough to escape fled, some of them to Morocco and many hundreds to the Turkish empire, where their descendants still live in separate communities, and still speak among themselves an antiquated form of Spanish. The Muslim empire was a refuge for all those who fled from persecution by the Inquisition.

The Western Christians, till the arrival of the Encyclopaedists in the eighteenth century, did not know and did not care to know, what the Muslim believed, nor did the Western Christian seek to know the views of Eastern Christians with regard to them. The Christian Church was already split in two, and in the end, it came to such a pass that the Eastern Christians, as Gibbon shows, preferred Muslim rule, which allowed them to practice their own form of religion and adhere to their peculiar dogmas, to the rule of fellow Christians who would have made them Roman Catholics or wiped them out.
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