I Timothy 5:23 "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."
This came to mind today because of statements made on other threads, particularly the one on instrumental music in the service. Would any of you argue that it's wrong to drink water? Timothy flat-out stated don't do it, and his words are inspired of God.
No, I don't think it's wrong to drink water. My point is that there are verses in the Bible that had a time and a place and a purpose, and some of those purposes have been fulfilled.
Chad
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A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Bro. Chad, maybe back then no one could drink the poluted water.
Just like it says in the OT about eating Pork. Heck, you go to other
countries today and you are warned not to drink the water.
Yes, my family and I fast with water. Bottled water!
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LBR, I don't really have a thought one on the subject of instruments right now. It's been a long time since I've read this verse and I remembered that I came to believe that this was a mention in a letter to Timothy regarding some ailment of the stomach that he had. It got me curious though and I looked at a couple of commentaries on the verse.
My post is not a debate . . .just a remark. Your way of thinking about things are kind of interesting and usually leave me sitting here looking at this screen scratching my head and wondering what logic puzzle you jumped out of. ( I don't mean that in a bad way.)
My dad takes this scripture literally and usually has a nip before bedtime . .he swears it's the best thing that ever happened to his stomach.( One can only wonder[&:])
Anyway heres the commentary if you care to read it:
1Ti 5:23 -
Drink no longer water - There has been much difficulty felt in regard to the connection which this advice has with what precedes and what follows. Many have considered the difficulty to be so great that they have supposed that this verse has been displaced, and that it should be introduced in some other connection. The true connection, and the reason for the introduction of the counsel here, seems to me to be this: Paul appears to have been suddenly impressed with the thought - a thought which is very likely to come over a man who is writing on the duties of the ministry - of the arduous nature of the ministerial office. He was giving counsels in regard to an office which required a great amount of labor, care, and anxiety. The labors enjoined were such as to demand all the time; the care and anxiety incident to such a charge would be very likely to prostrate the frame, and to injure the health. Then he remembered that Timothy was yet but a youth; he recalled his feebleness of constitution and his frequent attacks of illness; he recollected the very abstemious habits which he had prescribed for himself, and, in this connection, he urges him to a careful regard for his health, and prescribes the use of a small quantity of wine, mingled with his water, as a suitable medicine in his case. Thus considered, this direction is as worthy to be given by an inspired teacher as it is to counsel a man to pay a proper regard to his health, and not needlessly to throw away his life; compare Mat_10:23. The phrase, "drink no longer water," is equivalent to, "drink not water only;" see numerous instances in Wetstein. The Greek word here used does not elsewhere occur in the New Testament.
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Leaf, I agree 100% that it was recommended for medicinal purposes. My point is that it's scripture, but it's not something that is commanded for everyone. The Bible doesn't say it's not for everyone, and we don't have an explanation for it, but using common sense and rightly dividing the word we can understand it.
I just found this interesting, due to some requireing a "thou shalt" or a "thou shalt not" regarding some practices, and others being left open to whatever is pleasing to them. This was Paul's recommendation, not a commandment, although the apostle was one who directly relayed much of God's will in the New Testament. Sometimes we have a problem accepting that some of God's chosen writers also inserted their opinions here and there--such as with David "commanding" the use of instruments, or the general truths that are recorded from Solomon.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Chad, Let's get the story straight. When I asked you if psalms 150 was inspired of God. You said that it was! Now you say that "we" have a problem accepting that some of God's chosen writers also inserted their opinions here and there--such as with David "commanding" the use of instruments. You can't have your cake and eat it to! Have you changed your answer about Psalms 150 being inspired of God? Could it be that "we" don't have the problem here? We are not talking about a single scripture here, we are talking about a whole chapter that either is, or is not of God, yet it is in the Bible. Where do you stand?
I haven't changed my stance, just added more study to it. I believe David was a man after God's own heart, but I know he was human too. I know Solomon was the most wise man that every lived, but even his general truths won't be true in every situation. I also know that David lived under a different dispensation than we do, where divorce was allowed, multiple wives were allowed, and stoning people in some situations was law.
So what do you think Snooky? Should we no longer drink any water? Is this verse inspired of God? What does it matter if it's a book, a chapter, or one little verse? It's either true or it's not; it's either inspired of God or it's not. What is your explanation?
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Since I don't have to worry about "for thy stomach's sake" and coupled with the fact thal Paul singled out an individual and called him by name, I think I can drink a little water. Had Paul spoken to the general assembly and church, my answer would have been different. The 150 th chapter of Psalms was not addressed to an individual but to all.
I am trying to make your cake but the receipt today seems to have changed from the receipt of last week. After more study, is Psalms 150 given of God? A simple yes or no is all I asked for in the earlier posts.
Please parden the interuption, but I wanted to ask a question:
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After more study, is Psalms 150 given of God? A simple yes or no is all I asked for in the earlier posts.
Snooky, you know Chad believes Psalm 150 is inspiried by God. I couldn't find where he said so but I have confidence that he does. I know that it is. 2 Timothy 3:16-17. What exactly is the point that you are making? I haven't been around for a while, and I'm sure you are making a point, I'd really like to know what it is? Thanks.
Trae
2 Tim: 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
The most important thing one needs to realize is that when this was said and written, the ONLY scripture was the Old Testament!
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Goose; A statement was made by someone on this site to the effect that there wasn't even a scripture in the Old Testament where God said to use an instrument in worship. I countered with the question to a couple of posts, questioning the inspiration of Paslms 150. Is it of God? If it is, why is it not profitable for doctrine? Psalms 150 was not to an individual, was not under the law, was not fulfilled in Christ, ect. Why doesn't it still apply in worship today? I was told last week that it was Gods word. Today after more study, I am lead to believe that it could have just been a writter inserting his own thoughts. It can't be both. Either it is, or it isn't. Chad is right, I do have a problem excepting scripture as just the thoughts of the writter and not being of God. This shakes my whole foundation of truth if I can't trust and believe what the bible says.
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