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Old 04-05-2005, 07:22 AM   #1
 
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They're ignoring illegals because of socialist security !!!!




http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/bu...&partner=MYWAY


By EDUARDO PORTER

Published: April 5, 2005

TOCKTON, Calif. - Since illegally crossing the Mexican border into the United States six years ago, Ángel Mart*nez has done backbreaking work, harvesting asparagus, pruning grapevines and picking the ripe fruit. More recently, he has also washed trucks, often working as much as 70 hours a week, earning $8.50 to $12.75 an hour.

Not surprisingly, Mr. Mart*nez, 28, has not given much thought to Social Security's long-term financial problems. But Mr. Mart*nez - who comes from the state of Oaxaca in southern Mexico and hiked for two days through the desert to enter the United States near Tecate, some 20 miles east of Tijuana - contributes more than most Americans to the solvency of the nation's public retirement system.

Last year, Mr. Mart*nez paid about $2,000 toward Social Security and $450 for Medicare through payroll taxes withheld from his wages. Yet unlike most Americans, who will receive some form of a public pension in retirement and will be eligible for Medicare as soon as they turn 65, Mr. Mart*nez is not entitled to benefits.

He belongs to a big club. As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.

While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.

Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."

It is impossible to know exactly how many illegal immigrant workers pay taxes. But according to specialists, most of them do. Since 1986, when the Immigration Reform and Control Act set penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, most such workers have been forced to buy fake ID's to get a job.

Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book - with payroll tax deductions.

IRCA, as the immigration act is known, did little to deter employers from hiring illegal immigrants or to discourage them from working. But for Social Security's finances, it was a great piece of legislation.

Starting in the late 1980's, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect - sometimes simply fictitious - Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the "earnings suspense file" in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990's, two and a half times the amount of the 1980's.

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.

Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.
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He's an illegal working legally, paying taxes but not entitled to the benefits of paying taxes ?
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Illegal working legally...

can you say "oxymoron" ???
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Old 04-05-2005, 07:42 AM   #4
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Well he'll collect just as much SS benifits when he retires as anyone who is 30 years old right now.
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Old 04-05-2005, 08:13 AM   #5
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"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.
"Other-than-legal immigrants?" Excuse me?

Someone do me a favor and go slap that idiot and wake him up.
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Old 04-05-2005, 08:50 AM   #6
 
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Discussing this issue on another board, here is a post from an MD that has to deal with illegals:


"In Logan County Kentucky and Todd County Kentucky there is an epidemic of pinworms raging in the elementary and middle schools. Why? Because those school systems are flooded by the children of illegals - people who came here from places that have no plumbing and no indoor toilets and they have no notion of basic hygeine. Almost every mexican you see is infested with various kinds of intestinal worms. Pinworms are highly contagious and you can literally catch them by being in the room with an infested person. I don't think they'll ever get it cleared out of Todd County.I'm an MD and I have treated dozens of their teachers who have contracted worms from the children.

Mexicans are also nearly always suffering from some sort of chronic hepatitis.You
are going to catch it from them when they handle food you eat. Not to mention getting worms from them. Think about that the next time you eat Mexican, folks. My very favorite restaurant in Bowling Green Kentucky went out of business after an employee was found to have hepatitis A. What wasn't publicized was that it was traced back to a daycare center where the poor guy's kid went and caught it from an illegal working there, preparing snacks for the kids.

America cannot absorb the exconomic failures and reproductive excesses of third world countries without becoming a third world country. We need to keep these people out. I feel as sorry for them as anyone else does, but I don't feel so sorry for them that I want to catch their damned diseases and live just like them."
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Bummer Dude!! Interesting previous post Tardfarmer. You have no idea how many people around here LOVE Mexican food.
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Illegal working legally...

can you say "oxymoron" ???
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Very interesting post and issue of concern tard. Obviously, there are several health issues and not just economic ones.
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