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Old 04-04-2005, 11:36 AM   #1
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The news has been reporting lately on how GM is in trouble. Other rumblings are going around about GM dumping another brand. In the current issue of Ad Age, there's an article on how Pontiac is unhappy with its current agency of record, and how screwed GM is as a company. Here's a blurb that got me thinking about the rest of the nation:

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The only way GM is going to be able to compete with any of the imports is to take a look at their labor costs and supplier costs. They are unwilling to address the costs of production that drive up the costs of the cars. The unions are a thing of the past and are contributing to GM's inability to reduce costs of production. Its time to move their factories to other places in the country and hire no union workers in order to reduce overall production costs. This has worked for the imports and I don't understand why the Big Three haven't joined them.

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The concept is wonderfully stupid thinking IMO. That would only cost GM trillions to accomplish to say nothing of another many trillions in law suits.

So what about the rest of our manufacturing base - are we that screwed as a nation that nothing can be made here due to high price tags, and poor bottom lines? Will we eventually outsource everything including white collar jobs? Have we painted ourselves into a corner with unions and labor issues?
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Old 04-04-2005, 11:48 AM   #2
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Good question and a complicated one too.

I think that the 90's spread information and technology to a point where many nations are coming up to speed on manufacturing processes, yet have few pockets of wealth that can actually get things fired up and running. The general population in many of those poorer nations can increase their standard of living sharply and still easily underbid the US worker. Thus, maybe its not so much that we changed but that others are changing and we're going to have to compete or die on the vine.

Also I disagree that the concept of outsourcing is for GM a dumb thing to do...maybe against the contracts they signed but it is not dumb.

The idea of "buy American" when it comes to vehicles seems to be fading into the sunset. If so, that could be the bell tolling for GM's fall. Don't think it could happen? It happened with TVs and a host of other products.

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So what about the rest of our manufacturing base - are we that screwed as a nation that nothing can be made here due to high price tags, and poor bottom lines?
The reason it's more expensive here is that the cost of living is higher here! Ergo, HUGE tax cuts would force the cost of living to decrease.

As far as quality, American made products (those that are left) are far superior to anything made elsewhere (for the most part).

Our plant sent all it's manufacturing work to china, the quality went right down the crapper.
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As far as quality, American made products (those that are left) are far superior to anything made elsewhere (for the most part)
Very debatable, especially when it comes to vehicles.
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Old 04-04-2005, 12:19 PM   #8
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Also I disagree that the concept of outsourcing is for GM a dumb thing to do...maybe against the contracts they signed but it is not dumb.
Agreed. I think I took this a little differently though (beyond just simply outsourcing):
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Its time to move their factories to other places in the country and hire no union workers in order to reduce overall production costs.
Not sure that would accomplish anything. Now moving factories across seas and fill them up with non-union cheap labor? That would help with their bottom line and low stock value I'm sure, but would it help me on my truck payments? No.

Tard stuck it - the cost of living is already what it is - that will never decrease. It's all about the bottom line, making shareholders happy, lining a few pockets. I do believe we are screwed.
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How quickly we are to forget. Eron, worldcom, we have had some of the largest business failures in history . And no one seems to care. ole wya and his free trade is killing the U.S.A more rapidly than ever thought possable.The average wage is falling and all cost are skyrocketing,health care is not getting cheaper ,gas per gallon, college.

Wal- Mart jobs do not support families.They are an existance job only .

The next election is going to be hard on the republicans.
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