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Old 03-19-2005, 09:22 AM   #1
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The following is an email I received from a hunting buddy--just thought you guys might want to see it
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Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia ,Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent,

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent;

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not! and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such! monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

! Take note Americans, before it's too late!

FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:09 AM   #2
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A stupid, ignorant, backward, uneducated, knee-jerk conservative, anal retentive, redneck, gun totin', pickup truck drivin', radical, right-wing gun rights fanatic once said "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." How could this zero be so correct and all the right minded, sophisticated, well educated Australian politicians be so wrong? I am being facetious, of course. There is extraordinary wisdom -- maybe not so extraordinary but at least wise -- in that saying "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." In fact, it is so close to a logical tautology that it suggests those who argue to the contrary have lost their reason or have choosen to give their reasoning faculty a holiday.

Unfortunately, the gun control crowd are not apprised of the facts and prefer to remain blissfully unaware of the facts, hence, don't expect this information to carry any weight in the gun control debates. There is a kind of thinking which willingly, nay, mandatorily ties itself to experience. I don't know what the name for this brand of thinking is. Kant, in his Critique of Pure Reason, talks about needing the joinder of apriori logical categories and experience to attain to knowledge. The only objects of knowledge Kant cites as being free from the necessity of experience are mathematical objects, and mathematical reasoning he calls synthetic apriori reasoning. For everything else, knowledge must be grounded in experience. Others cast off from experience and attempted, erroneously per Kant, to reach knowledge through the pure exercise of their reason untempered by experience. This leads to the thinking where canonballs fly in a straightline until they run out of . . . what? potency? . . . whereupon they drop straight down as if they had hit a stone wall. Just one attempt to test this account against reality, observing a canonball fly in the field, would have disabused those mental giants of their foolishness, but they couldn't be sullied by leaving their reading rooms, I suppose. I think the gun control nuts are condemned to this kind of thinking. Again, I don't know the appropriate label for this kind of thinking. Generally, this kind of thinking -- the conclusions are not in anyway subject to controverting based on real world observation or experience -- is common among liberals, I fear.

How do we stop the criminals, the law breakers from shooting us up and robbing us? Let's make it against the law for them to own guns! Then they would have to break the law to have a gun to shoot us up. That will fix their clocks, alright! Excuse me now while I continue my researches into my perpetual motion machine and my "square-the-circle proof."
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Australia is supposed to have some really nasty gang problems.
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:33 AM   #4
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Return the guns to the rightful owners and rid the country of the outlaws.....thats called criminal control. Criminal control is much more effective and the right thing to do.
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Regretably, this information is about 6 years out of date since it is about that long or possibly longer since these laws took effect. For a true story as to the crime situation in Austrailia today, you will have to dig deeper than this outdated material. There is a website maintained by their government that will show you the real statistics and though I haven't checked it in a couple of years, it is fairly accurate although a bout 2 years behind. The numbers may not be as bad as this post claims, but it isn't good either.
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Old 03-19-2005, 11:31 AM   #6
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sorry if it is outdated--I just received it yesterday--you know how that sh1t works
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Old 03-20-2005, 01:09 PM   #7
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Yup, old news and not valid statistics according to SNOPES. Check it out. http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
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Return the guns to the rightful owners and rid the country of the outlaws.....thats called criminal control. Criminal control is much more effective and the right thing to do.
Amen brother, amen.
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