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Old 03-19-2005, 06:44 AM   #1
 
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The Federal GOVT passes a law that says in the next 5 years, all passenger vehicles MUST be total electric or electir hybrids. In other words, you have 5 years to trade your old gasoline engine auto in on a new car. Semi's, big truck, farm vehicles etc etc would remain. The Govt could take all the buy backs and ship overseas for resale. It would be costly, however two things would come of it. #1 - we would become very less dependent on oil from overseas places. #2 - the money that the whole country would save on the gas spent would be put back into the economy in other ways - which would strengthen our country.

Why wouldn't that be a valid option ?
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Old 03-19-2005, 07:24 AM   #2
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Sounds similar to what they're trying to do with the minimum wage...wave a magic wand and make things better overnight.
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Old 03-19-2005, 08:19 AM   #3
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Algore is behind this evil ,sinister plan isnt he?

Oui you will get my internal combustion engines- when you can pry my cold dead fingers from there wheels

Other then to lubercate the interal parts -Oil is Not nessarly needed-such as the main fuel source to run most engines on the road today?

Isnt there plenty of methaine& other natural gas in the ground in states like wy etc etc.& it is already pumped across the country most places in vast pipelines? Lotsa coal to&oil- & we could get iowa to make large vats of corn licker[&:]/biofuels etc.

But im not sure what you mean by oil solution- our being at the mercy of high gas prices- opec/con a co pick pockets?

I dont think goverment mandated laws on what we have to drive-when& where is the solution to that tho- we need new goverment laws& controls like we need extra ho.les in our heads to let the evil spirts out[]
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Old 03-19-2005, 08:58 AM   #4
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Datamax:

I would object to the government taking such unprecedented action. I don't think the consitution empowers them to make such a decision.

There is a question of the practicality of any such sudden, draconian change. Very dramatic upheavals would accompany such a measure, from day one. What are the implications for auto makers in Detroit? What are the implications for car dealerships? What are the implications for oil companies? Lots of money involved.

Finally, on the principle point, it isn't clear that electric powered vehicles would be cheaper or more friendly to the environment. What do we do with all the left over electric vehicle batteries? I suppose there are going to be some ugly heavy metals in these commodious batteries which are not very environmentally friendly. How do we produce electricity today? Predominantly by burning fossil fuels. The only alternative to burning more fossil fuels is to build a bunch of new nuke plants (I don't think there a bunch of hydro-electric opportunities just waiting for us to build the dams to tap into the power and I don't think wind power is the answer). There is a question about how fast we can build new nuke plants. There is a major question of political accetability of nuke plants here in the US. There is a reason France gets most of its power from nukes and we in the US do not. It is not because the French are better nuclear engineers or constructors of nuke plants than we are, it is because of political resistance to nukes.

Besides, electric cars don't produce that agreeable snarl that a Corvette Z-06 produces when you crank the engine up!
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Big Oil would never allow that to happen !!!!
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How could you retrofit the world"™s $50 trillion dollar per year economy, including transportation and telecommunications networks, manufacturing industries and so on, to run on these up-to-the-minute sources of energy? As a result, such a program would in fact bring anarchy nearer. Before the global rewiring can commence, we have to get the energy, political motivation, raw materials financial capital and the like to get such a venture off the ground. We as well have to find a line of attack to put a stop to China's army from obtaining all the raw materials required to make the switch.
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The Federal GOVT passes a law that says in the next 5 years, all passenger vehicles MUST be total electric or electir hybrids. In other words, you have 5 years to trade your old gasoline engine auto in on a new car. Semi's, big truck, farm vehicles etc etc would remain. The Govt could take all the buy backs and ship overseas for resale. It would be costly, however two things would come of it. #1 - we would become very less dependent on oil from overseas places. #2 - the money that the whole country would save on the gas spent would be put back into the economy in other ways - which would strengthen our country.

Why wouldn't that be a valid option ?
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DATA,

I've done work on the drive systems for those things. They are EXTREMELY expensive if made to be reliable and even given that are fraught with alot of pesky bugs.

Not to mention, electric drive vehicles require a gasoline engine, they are absolutely no good at high speeds, hence the reason for hybrids.

Then you have the problem of the energy storage banks which are essentially giant capacitor banks with a limited lifetime.

I think that would be a disaster, it's much too soon for this, the technology is still somewhat in it's infancy for large scale production.
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Old 03-19-2005, 11:24 AM   #9
 
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Why is it that people have a tendency to believe of alternatives to oil as one way or another self-sufficient from oil. In actuality, the alternatives to oil are more precisely explained as "offshoots of oil"¯?

When you look at the troubles coupled with batteries, you get a different view on gasoline. Two gallons of gasoline, which weighs roughly fifteen pounds, costs $4.00 and takes thirty seconds to transfer into the tank. It"™s comparable to 1,000 pounds of lead-acid batteries that cost $2,000 and take four or more hours to revitalize. Also, lead-acid batteries have a short life, generally three or four years. You can substitute lead-acid batteries with nickel-metal hydride batteries. The range of the car will twofold and the batteries will last ten years, although the price of the batteries today is fifteen times greater than lead-acid. A nickel-metal hydride battery set will cost nearly $30,000 instead of $2,000. Costs for sophisticated batteries plummet as they become ordinary; therefore over the next numerous years it"™s possible that nickel-metal hydride battery packs will become ready for action with lead-acid battery prices. Electric cars will have considerably improved range at that time.
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Not feasible in reality.

However, if a government mandated a switch to electric vehicles, it would be a switch to hyrdrogen fuel cells. While hydrogen need power to be produced, by concentrating fossil fuel uses to point sources such as power plants when can better control emmissions and disposal of wastes. As well, southern areas such as California may be able to use solar powered refueling stations.

Oil should be used for lubrication and plastics, not a dirty fuel. No one wants to remain a slave to Middle East oil.
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