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[bearklr]

This is a touchy law. Basically it really is intented to halp those that truley need it yet there are others that will take advantage of it. It seems much like welfare to me. There are many people who truley need wellfare and use it to honestly support their family until they find a job. yet there are also those that abuse it and have as many kids as they can just to get a bigger check. My brother has dyslexia and from first hand experience I know how tough it is to get a school to admit that he has a learning disability and provide him the proper help he needed to learn. My Mom was in there countless times in tears fighting for help for him while the principal said he doesn't have a disability he's just not as smart as the other students. Turns out after thousands of dollars of testing and classes that he actually had an IQ of 127 which made him smarter than most if not all the kids in his class. However he could not read fast enough to finish the tests on time because the words appeared scrambled on the page. Finally the school provided him the proper help (such as oral exams) and his grades improved dramatically. I also feel that if a parent wants to sue they will have to have some pretty good evidence that their child has a disability and I am pretty sure there aren't many phd's that would put their license on the line just so a family can make a little money.

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[bearklr]

Don't get me wrong. Laws such as this one are ripe for abuse as are many others that we have in place. The point remains that so many children get tossed aside merely because the school system doesn't want to spend the time nor the money to deal with them. I mean why spend thousands of dollars and actually try and see why these children aren't learning when it's so much easier to throw them in the IU13 bus and forget about them. In my opinion if the schools would of actually took the proper measures in the past to ensure that all students were addressed rather than thrown aside then they wouldn't have to worry about this law today. As far as dealing with a school in a "constructive manner" ha...good luck. I have spoken to tons of parents with children in the same boat who have tried this route often to no avail. Schools just don't want to hear it. Now of course we can't say ALL schools don't want to deal with it but the ones that do shot them all in the foot.

[tardfarmer]

Schools are caving in to "Learning Disability" laws called "Title IX" laws passed by the federal gov. They basically say if a child fails in school and then proves to have any kind of learning or other disability, then the school can be sued under federal guidelines.

Come on Ifferd, you cannot be that short sited. Living in the biggest public school taxpayer hell, i'm very keen to the "pubic" schools and how they "think". This is a windfall for them. They'll be telling every kid they can find he's "learning disabled" so they can get more federal/state grants.

All you have to do in order to figure out exactly what is going on with the public schools is to think 1/2 pervert and 1/2 thief -- and you've got them nailed !!

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[tardfarmer]

As far as the money, the majority of local taxpayers usually won't support higher taxes to fund the myriad programs that may be nec.

Not really sure you understand the amount of clout that teacher's unions have, they practically run most states.

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ORIGINAL: Ifferd

In NC, Unions are illegal for state employees. Not an issue here.

Not public school teachers. The NEA is alive and well in NC - at least in the Winston-Salem/Forsyth County School System. In fact, the union has their own office at "Central Office." They pester my wife relentlessly as to why she isn't in the union, send out voting guides and pressure usually young, first year teachers into joining. It's a racket.

[bearklr]

ORIGINAL: Ifferd

Title IX laws are the cause of this. The laws set the school with a virtually impossible goal and then threaten them with lawsuits if they don't succeed. So why try? Right?
I agree with you that the schools should try, but even then some of these kids fail and some parents can't admit that maybe it was their kid who had the problem - not the school.

These laws are just another way of saying to kids , "If you don't do well, it's not your fault. It's someone elses problem." (=personal accountability out the window)

It teaches a "Victimhood" mentality which is in no way constructive.

How can you say this law is the cause of this. Schools were throwing kids aside labling them "slow" long before this law came into affect. I can gaurantee you that most if not all of the people on here had a class in their school that they reffered to as the "slow" kids. These kids were in fact not any less intelligent than the "normal" students, they were just all put in one big group and pushed aside hence the reason for this law. So in theory the schools actions brought about this law...not vice versa. Now as far as this law being used as a crutch for those that are not learning disabled I cannot argue. I think it will in fact be abused as are many laws. But to feel bad for the schools is rediculous. They only brought it upon themselves when they decided it was easier to pretend a problem didn't exist rather than try and find a resolution