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Both the meat and hide must be used. (even coyotes, carp and skunks) 1 4.55%
All the meat must be used, the rest is optional. 10 45.45%
The entire hide must be used, the rest is optional. 0 0%
Some part must be eaten (killing buffalo for the tongues is ok) 0 0%
Use at least some part of the critter. (need mouse skinning tips?) 2 9.09%
As long as it's legal and not harming the resource, I don't care 5 22.73%
Society is wasteful. People should be forced to eat their own garbage. 0 0%
It's the weekend, you can't force me to read all this. 4 18.18%
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Old 02-18-2005, 08:35 PM   #1
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The fun and entertaining thread on carp makes me wonder. What are your Personal Standards of Utilization? (I'm going to copyright that term.. so be warned )


Most people here will agree that deer killed by hunting means should at the very least, have the meat taken for food purposes. But why do we feel that way and where do we draw the line?

What if you kill a bunch of deer but give all the meat away? What if you only eat the hindquarters and loins?

It will suprise some to learn that in my state (Illinois) there is no 'wanton waste' law. In other words, it's perfectly legal to shoot a deer, tag it, check it in and then drive it to the dump and dispose of it. Do people really kill deer in Illinois and not eat them? Yes, it happens. Usually it's 'trophy hunters' who kill big, stinky rutting bucks simply for the cape and antlers and don't want to bother with the rest.

Is that okay with you? If you are opposed to that, do you think it should be illegal?

At what point would you let 'waste' be legal?

Millions of animals are caught by trappers every year. Rare is the trapper who utilizes all the meat from his/her catch. Is okay to kill a coyote/fox/badger/mink/muskrat/bobcat/beaver...etc.. etc... and only take it's hide? Isn't that a big waste of meat? If it is okay to use the hide, but not the meat... then is it okay to take the cape from a deer and throw away the rest?

Grizzly hunters rarely take the meat, some black bears are considered unfit for food. Certain exotics, such as rams and goats are tough to stomach. Does that make it okay to throw the meat away?

What about all the upland gamebirds and waterfowl that are only breasted out? Should we force people to eat the legs and thighs of doves and ducks? If it's okay to just take part of a bird to eat, then is it okay to just take the backstraps off of a deer?

What about things that people often shoot but don't have any intention of using at all? Things like crows and woodchucks, coyotes and prairie dogs (and sometimes... brace yourselves... carp) ? What about all those nearly worthless 'possums that trappers catch but don't bother skinning?

In the Chicago Metro area alone, tens of thousands of 'nuisance' wild animals are captured by licensed animal control operators and destroyed. Law prohibits them from being utilized in any way. That's the law, but isn't that a crime?

If you have a rat or mouse in your house you can kill it yourself and it's up to you on what you want to do with it's carcass. Would an ethical person make a coaster from it's tiny pelt and fry up the body? Would only a morally empty person drop the critter in the trash?

Just curious on your thoughts......
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Old 02-18-2005, 09:39 PM   #2
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Oh come on you big wimps....... It's just a meaningless poll.... [8D]
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Old 02-18-2005, 10:38 PM   #3
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"My" answer wasn't given as an option, so I picked the next best one. [8D] I may vote again later--I need to consult the "InFisherman" first.

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Old 02-18-2005, 11:17 PM   #4
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As long as it's legal and not harming the resource, I don't care
I guess that's where I fit in. The only thing I normally waste are coyotes and other varmints. Sometimes they have a nice hide, sometimes they don't. But it sure is fun to "waste" them.

Don't have any carp in any of the stock tanks I fish, but I'd shoot them if I could. I've shotgunned up sunfish on more than one occaision, but I ate them cause they sure are tasty little critters.
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Old 02-19-2005, 06:58 AM   #5
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I can't vote because its a loaded question. I detest deer hunters who kill a deer but don't utilize the meat. By utilizing the meat I mean giving it to someone who will eat it if the hunter won't. I have several people who will take deer meat even from a stinky rutting buck.

There are categories..at least in my way of thinking. Game animals(edible creatures from my own personal list). Inedible creatures(from my own personal list) include skunks, opposums, coyotes etc. I see nothing wrong with killing a coyote and taking the hide only, therefore leaving the coyote meat for scavengers. Scavengers have to eat too. Personally I don't kill unedible things(from my personal list again[8D]) unless they are threatening me or are overpopulated. For example I will not hesitate to kill a coyote because in my area coyotes are commonplace and have a high population.

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Old 02-19-2005, 02:41 PM   #6
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I didn't find an option that listed my standards. I try to use all of the edible meat on game animals and their hides if possible. I do eat black bear meat but would not waste my time on your examples of skunks, coyotes, other varmints and probably not on carp either.
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Our senior (regional) wildlife biologist say that the only critter he wouldn't care to eat again is the Red Fox, all others that he has tried (including, skunk, moles, voles, mice, rats, bobcats, etc) he wouldn't hesitate to eat again. I personally draw the line about halfway through the rodent family.
I do not find it wasteful or wrong to not eat canines, felines and a few others even if taken solely for the purpose of using the skin. The old ways die hard sometimes.
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Old 02-20-2005, 12:20 AM   #8
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If its edible "game" if you kill it you should eat it or give it to some one who will.

I know there are clafication of the animals as game varmets,pest, furbrys,and such.
i think your back ground and where you are from make a big differance.

The coyotas have been brought up. I ant eating them but the only reasion i kill them is to stop them from killing stock. I dont eaven try to use the fur. "most here in Fl are mangey any way"

In Fl there is laws on the books for wanten wast of animals.

I dont want to start up the carp aurgement aggain.
But here most of the people that fish for carp eat them. espicaly the suckers.
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The exception would be preditors and varmints, who's going to eat or skin a ground hog?
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Our senior (regional) wildlife biologist say that the only critter he wouldn't care to eat again is the Red Fox, all others that he has tried (including, skunk, moles, voles, mice, rats, bobcats, etc) he wouldn't hesitate to eat again.
They obviously aren't paying him enough. Maybe we should start a poll to see if he deserves a pay increase.
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