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Old 02-14-2005, 10:03 AM   #1
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[link]http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst021405.htm[/link]


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The U.S. House of Representatives passed a national ID bill last week that masqueraded as "immigration reform."*
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Supporters claim the national ID scheme is voluntary. However, any state that opts out will automatically make non-persons out of its citizens. The citizens of that state will be unable to have any dealings with the federal government because their ID will not be accepted. They will not be able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the eyes of the federal government they will cease to exist. It is absurd to call this voluntary, and the proponents of the national ID know that every state will have no choice but to comply.* Federal legislation that nationalizes standards for drivers" licenses and birth certificates creates a national ID system pure and simple.
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This bill establishes a huge, centrally-coordinated database of highly personal information about American citizens: at a minimum their name, date of birth, place of residence, Social Security number, and physical and possibly other characteristics.
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This legislation gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to expand required information on drivers" licenses, potentially including such biometric information as retina scans, finger prints, DNA information, and even Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) radio tracking technology. Including such technology as RFID means the federal government, as well as the governments of Canada and Mexico, could know where American citizens are at all times.


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The citizens of that state will be unable to have any dealings with the federal government because their ID will not be accepted. They will not be able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the eyes of the federal government they will cease to exist.
If I cease to exist will those bastords quit taking SS and Federal Income taxes out of my weekly paychecks ?
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:16 AM   #3
 
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BUT REMEMBER,


Ron Paul is a Libertarian from Texas that is PRO ILLEGAL ALIEN. He believes the borders should be open 24/7 to anyone that wants to cross.

He's hardly unbiased in his analysis.
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:19 AM   #4
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He's hardly unbiased in his analysis.
Bias or no, he raises many valid points. Personally, I prefer 50 states over 1 centralized government. Little late for that now, but that doesn't mean we can't slow or even stop its growth.
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I prefer 50 states over 1 centralized government

I agree. But you will note that Ron Paul does not even entertain the idea of sealing the borders -- the actual solution to the problem.
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:21 AM   #6
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I wonder how much of this is on the level and how much is alarmist. Definitely we don't want RFID tags attached to our drivers licenses/ID cards. I don't think it takes too much understanding to realize that that would not fly. Imagine the uproar the ACLU would make about that?!

I'm not sure what the big objection to a national ID card or standardized drivers licenses is. I do know the problem with RFIDs and don't want that. Does anyone think the federal government doesn't already know what my social security number is, what my address is, and all sorts of other information such as how much mortgage interest I pay per year, what my income is, what my wife's income is, etc., etc.? If they pay the right people, I'm just guessing, but they could probably get a pretty clear picture of what I buy at the grocery stores, when, what, how much by tapping into a database created by those little "smart shopper" tags with bar codes that we are encouraged to employ to get savings at the grocery stores. Don't you suppose they use those things to accumulate statistics on who buys what, when, how much associated with various demographic information such as income level/place of residence?

So, enlighten me. What is wrong with a national ID card/national drivers license? Again, I don't want an RFID tag on my license and I don't believe that will ever fly, not unless the ACLU goes out of existence and Democrats become Republicans. So, other than the boogey-man of RFID tags, what is the problem? Now, don't get me wrong. I don't feel any urgent need to got to a national ID card/drivers license system, I just don't see what the big fuss is about if we do go that way.
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I'm not sure what the big objection to a national ID card or standardized drivers licenses is.
The actual problem to a national ID are twofold:

1) Unconstitutional. The fed is only allowed to utilize a census, anything else is outside their powers.

2) Currently the IRS uses tax ID numbers for illegals, what would prevent the fed from merely supplying illegals with national ID cards. In doing this, those that are against illegal alien immigration would be temporarily bamboozled into thinking the problem was solved.
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I'm just guessing, but they could probably get a pretty clear picture of what I buy at the grocery stores, when, what, how much by tapping into a database created by those little "smart shopper" tags with bar codes that we are encouraged to employ to get savings at the grocery stores.
You do realize that this information is relayed to marketing companies and INSURANCE CARRIERS -- don't you?

So if you buy a bottle of booze and 3 bags of cheetos a day, your insurance carrier gets this info and can easily zap you for it.
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:34 AM   #9
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On the other hand -- and I'm not saying this is related -- it is a good idea to have a healthy suspicion of large computerized information systems about citizens. I heard an interesting example of data collected by a municipality wherein a citizen who frequented a far left cafe had data gathered on him and was categorized him as a member of a radical criminal group. The way the story unfolded was the computer software had a limited number of categories under which to enter data. This guy was entered under this not because his group was, in fact, a radical criminal group but because either the data entry person didn't classify him correctly or this was just the default and the data entry person was entering EVERYONE under this category. The data from this municipal data base was shared with other governmental agencies, including some Mexican agencies. So, the guy is classified in a database as a member of a radical criminal group just because he is a left leaning -- but not criminal -- person. I have written software for years and interacted with software for a long time -- this scenario is ENTIRELY believable. Not enough money is invested into such systems -- everyone wants something for cheap, then corners get cut, and the system is relied upon as infallible when it is anything BUT infallible. Imagine the treatment the police would take coming to your house for any reason when you are classified as a member of a radical criminal group!

And I guess the national ID card/drivers license just gives them one more tool to herd us, and extra hook by which to grab us. And I don't like this either.
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And I guess the national ID card/drivers license just gives them one more tool to herd us, and extra hook by which to grab us. And I don't like this either.
Much like the highly controversial practice in some states of collecting blood/DNA samples from drunk drivers and felons. No matter how relatively insignificant the infraction (eg: class D felony or a misdemeanor).

You know damn well insurance companies are chomping at the bit to determine any "pre disposition" that you might have.
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