Show your support for manufacturers against Taulman & USO

[kshunter]

The below link is a quick way to show your support of manufacturers who pulled their sponsorship of Taulman.

If you have time, click on the link below and email the manufacturers and thank them for doing the right thing.

http://www.seazsc.com/new_news.htm

[kevin1]

As much as I dislike Taulman's tactics what choice did Arizona give him ?
I don't like how Arizona dribbles out it's tags to non-res either , it's blatantly discriminitory toward non-residents and they should have to reorganize how they do it , by court order if need be . Sorry , I can't sign this one . Before you ask , my state sells them to all over the counter first come first served , I'm not even aware that we have a quota . Now that's fair to all .

[kshunter]

I guess it's all in the way you look at it. If what you want is pay for outfitters, eliminate the average joe, and let NR'hunters have as much chance to hunt your own resident state as you do then go for it, and support them. Because if we support Taulman and his ideas, then that's what i'll involve into. Nothing but the almighty dollar.

But personally I'm going to be against it, every year to come. The thing I don't understand is how this topic seems to be so unpopular on hunting.net It has been that way ever since it came about. If you think it doesn't effect you, you should think again. The case an Arizona, can be tried in your big buck states along the same theory. Just read up about it.

[datamax]

Why can't it be an equal draw for game animals in AZ with equal pricing for th tags ? Lets assume that AZ has 2500 tags available this fall. Throw them into one big pool and let anyone who wants too apply for them and everyone has an equal chance at drawing the tags for the same value - lets say $250 per tag.

The hunting for the most part for big game animals is on national lands, correct ? Why should there be a descrimination against non-residents for something that is national ?

[Cougar Mag]

Why can't it be an equal draw for game animals in AZ with equal pricing for the tags ?

Because residents of all states should have preference over non-residents when only a certain amount of tags are available. The same crap is happening in Illinois...the DNR tries to manage the deer herds but out of touch politicians and greedy outfitters think they know better. What is happening is unbelievable!!!

I don't like how Arizona dribbles out it's tags to non-res either , it's blatantly discriminitory toward non-residents.

kevin.......with that attitude there might as well be open seasons, and to heck with game management. In the end this is what it will boil down too if it keeps going. Taulman and his USO only started this domino effect. I applaud all those who took their advertising away from USO.......maybe there are some who still think hunting is precious.

Kshunter......I gladly am going to the link and congratulating those who did so.

[kevin1]

Your position is understandable Coug ,
you happen to live in a so called "trophy state" . We don't have the same problems with outfitters here that y'all do , despite consistantly ranking in the top ten for P&Y and B&C , because we just didn't let it get out of control in the first place . That's where Illinois went wrong .

We have outfitters too , I'll never pay one personally , but they serve a purpose . Same with lease brokers , I don't like what they do , but it's legal to do it . When your state begins to look at it's game as a cash cow instead of a resource you're gonna have problems down the road . We don't sell blocks of permits to either one , they have to stand in line like everyone else , including non-res . Outfitters and lease brokers don't have the same opportunity to monopolize the hunting as they do in Illlinois . We call that parity , and parity works for everyone .

[Cougar Mag]

That is part of the problem Kevin. Most if not all DNR officials look at it as a resource. The problem is politicians and greed. The politicians see everything as legislation. I really am not against outfitters to be honest, they found a way to make a living and provide a service. What I am against is a small group trying to change laws or rules just to benifit them. If a public vote was taken..........it would be a landslide in favor of letting the DNR manage the wildlife and amount of permits vs the legislators and outfitters. Our DNR did a reasonably good job, but some critical things have been taken out of their hands.........and generally it has a lot to do with money.

[kshunter]

Cougar, it looks like we are experiencing a lot of the same things. Illinois and Kansas are a couple states that Taulman has publicly stated would be next.

Kevin, you made a great point, that the states are setting themselves up for it. In the past 2-3 years Kansas has been catering to outfitters, insurance agencies, lobbyist and their needs to an elevating extent. And if they don't cater to these people then the state opens themselves up for lawsuit, which happened in the Arizona vs USO case. It's easy say the state did wrong, but when you're limited on the money you have for defend lawsuits, and the heavy pressure from people like Taulman, outfitters, and lobbyist, then it easy to see why.

[datamax]

Because residents of all states should have preference over non-residents when only a certain amount of tags are available.

Why ?

[vc1111]

Not particularly interested in this thread, just logged on to see what datamax was totin' as a sig today.