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Old 02-08-2005, 08:15 AM   #1
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What do you think. The idea has been brought up on another tread, should social moneys, aka welfare, be used to support those who have addiction problems? Should they be treated as if they have a handicap, or should they be forced to face their problems through "tough love". I should add, there are more forms of social services that might be addressed here other than welfare, example, rehab. What are your thoughts?
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Old 02-08-2005, 08:34 AM   #2
 
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I don't believe in Social services. Where there is need the families, the communities and especially the churches should provide whats needed. If they cannot, let the States attack the problems that exist.

Federal Social programs I cannot see a real need for.


And no, people with drug addictions are not handicap
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Old 02-08-2005, 08:35 AM   #3
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You toked it ,
you deal with it , the problem started with you and should end the same way . Being a junkie or alky should NEVER qualify you for public assistance because you didn't have to take that drug of choice the first time .

I have a childhood friend who is currently trying for SSI because he's such a bad alky , he'll most likely get shot down the first time , here's hoping they tell him to dry up and blow away . He was drunk the day I met him thirty years ago , and he was drunk the last time I saw him , I don't feel a bit sorry for him and never will . He brought it on himself .
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I know of an area around here where there are alot of addicts on welfare.The whole street is the worst part of town.It is sad.I used to drink alot,but I don't think that alcohol is addictive.If you want to stop,you have to use willpower.As far as drugs go,other than prescription painkillers since my accident,I have never done any.The painkillers that I take are supposed to be very addictive,but I haven't seemed to see it.If somebody has a problem and really tries to get help,the govt. should help them out for a limited amount of time and that is it.6 months and you are on your own.The taxpayers shouldn't support drug and addiction habits.
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:13 AM   #5
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In March, the House passed a welfare reform bill (H.R. 4) which denies cash assistance to drug addicts and alcoholics on the rolls of Supplemental Security Income (SSI). This provision was established after congressional hearings revealed that SSI benefits for addicts and alcoholics were often spent "in liquor stores and with the corner drug dealer." House legislators believe that America's taxpayers should not be forced to feed a drug addict's self-destructive habit. Instead, these funds will now be used for the treatment of substance abuse. (5)
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Old 02-08-2005, 10:29 AM   #6
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how about cigarettes? noone put a gun to peoples' heads and made 'em light up...yet the courts siad the tobacco cos were responsible? HUH? what planet was the jury from....
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Thats good Charlie. Is there a grandfathers clause ? The Block of Alkys are still recieving it here. They also get food stamps. Just last wek they were getting them yet. they shop for people that want food.and then take 2.00 for every 10 dollars they spend in food stamps for aomeone else. Then drink all day with the money. I seen people get baskets full of steaks and other meats from them.
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should social moneys, aka welfare, be used to support those who have addiction problems?

Definately not to SUPPORT them (ie: free dope/housing like in Denmark) but I can see a legitimate reason to have forced rehab.

Unfortunately in the long run they could cost society alot more than rehab.

That one is a slippery slope though.
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:14 AM   #9
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NO! Most drug addiction starts with a choice! It should not be rewarded with any compensation!
There are those who become addicted to medications that they had to take, they should be helped out, at least once!
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:24 AM   #10
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...should social moneys, aka welfare, be used to support those who have addiction problems?
The quickie answer is of course, no. But that ignores the larger picture. Who is affected by these people? Their employers, the families, their neighbors; in short, all of us. The loss of productivity, the ugly effects on the children, the increase in divorces rates, etc, all can be mitigated if some can be reached with treatment.

Often drug and alcohol problems are indicative of other pathologies. Deal with the underlying pathology and maybe you can eliminate the abuse/addiction thus sparing society, the employers, the families, the higher long term costs.
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