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Six Charged in Pool Hall Killing
Two men were shot dead as they fled members of a Hmong gang after a confrontation at a pool hall Thursday night, authorities said. Four other young men were wounded.
Capt. Bob Aldrich of the Anoka County Sheriff's Office said six suspects were arrested. The Minnesota Gang Strike Force was familiar with them, he said.
All six were charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder and with aiding and abetting attempted second-degree murder.
The dead were identified as Tashi Sonam Jagottsang, 21, of St. Anthony, and Bunsean Lieng, 19, of Minneapolis.
The trouble apparently started Thursday evening when gang members mistook a group of unarmed Tibetan Chinese, and one Cambodian, for another Asian gang, Aldrich said.
The Tibetan group entered Jimmy's Pro Billiards about 9:30 p.m. Thursday and were confronted by Hmong gang members who spoke English, but used "gang speak" the Tibetans didn't understand, Aldrich said.
To view Bernie Grace's report on this incident, click on the link above.
He said the Tibetan group wasn't looking for trouble, but someone made a call and soon another carload of Tibetans arrived at the pool hall. There was a confrontation and soon both groups grabbed pool cues and balls, Aldrich said.
The Tibetans eventually fled through the back door into an alley with the Hmong in pursuit, firing dozens of shots. A 9 mm pistol was recovered, Aldrich said.
Authorities found one victim in a nearby parking ramp while the other was near the alley. Four other Tibetan men were wounded and found two blocks from the pool hall.
The suspects were identified as: Grogan Yang, 18, of Brooklyn Park,; Charles Yang, 20, of Brooklyn Park; Sai Vang, 19, of Coon Rapids; Jason Moua, 24, of Minneapolis; Meng Vang, 24, of Minneapolis; and Helene Yang, 23, of Minneapolis.
The four wounded victims were identified as: Tenzin Tenpa, 21; Tenzin Tsondu, 22; Tenzin Choegyal, age unknown; and Tenzin Phelgye Woeser, 21. Tsondu is from Minneapolis; authorities didn't immediately have the residences of the others.
Initial reports said the Tibetans were part of a gang, but authorities later said that wasn't true. Ron Ryan, commander of the Minnesota Gang Strike Force, said there were no Tibetan gangs in the state.
Allen Olson, who was playing pool at the time, told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis he saw two groups of people begin bickering. Pool hall employees told them to take it outside.
"We heard a sound like whoosh," he said. "We thought it was glass breaking. But it was gunshots."
When he ran out to investigate, "these three guys were standing with guns pulled," he said. He saw one man fall. Two others got in a car and drove off, he said.
Annie Vang and Tida Lee told the newspaper they were playing pool when 15 to 20 people started throwing balls and cue sticks at each other. The women retreated to the relative safety of the back of the pool hall.
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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved package, but to skid across the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, yelling GERONIMO!!!!!
I live in a place where contact with folks of many different Asian origins is routine. If somebody wants to sound off about the pros or cons about a particular race, it very quickly boils down to the folks involved in the problem.
On the "mainland" it's easy for some to try and work the "ethnic-angle" because they'll say the "white folks" (haole's or palangi's where I live) can't tell one Asian group from another. What it usually means is that they can't defend their position w/o resorting to reverse-racism.
I'm "white" and Cajun. One of my best friends is Polish/Ukranian.. Different backgrounds & traditions but we went to the same Catholic school. His mom's stuffed cabbage & kasha are to die for, but I hated the snow.
Soo...when I read about this type of "confusion" I wonder how much thought did the idiot put into his statement. He might try to get away with the "I thought it was another gang", but I think it was more like "I was pissed/drunk/drugged, and I couldn't tell those guys apart from the dudes I was really after, so I ..."
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It's not that they're on a "roll" -- it's always been like this. You just didn't hear about it because the liberal press was reluctant to print any of it.
Like I told you guys, I saw this stuff back in the early 80's and knew it was a big problem.
Now Wisconsin is trying to "legally" interdict into Laos to get even more Hmong out of there because they're sooooo "persecuted" -- kinda makes you wonder why, eh?
The point is that he is comfortable with using simplistic reasoning to draw a desired conclusion.
Not true VC.
You have to "be in the thick of it" in order to really understand the problem. like I said, it simply is not being reported. There are other groups that have similar scenarios but I won't get off topic.
I don't have the time, care to share them with me ? Break them all down, real simplistic like so I wont have a hard time, because right now I'm just not getting it.
Looks to me that it is the focus of the press on the most current events.
Look at pages 8 and 9 but you should take the time to evaluate all the information.
Another Hmong murder
