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Old 01-18-2005, 11:43 AM   #1
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Well snopes say's no way. Can anyone provide proof it's true? I know for fact my father recieved nothing as far as a tax break when he came here.

Claim: The U.S. government grants a seven-year tax holiday to certain favored groups of immigrants and provides them with free housing, new cars, and clothing allowances as well.

Status: False.

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about it; nobody is getting any breaks. The U.S. government wants taxes from everybody, native-born or newly-arrived.

Stories about immigrants' receiving new cars, apartments and clothing allowances from the government and being exempted from paying taxes date to the late 1960s "” that's how old this canard is. Often the "while poor American kids are starving" kicker is added to these tales, provoking a righteously indignant response from those who hear it.

Almost without exception, versions of this rumor mention a single specific ethnic group. The tale isn't about wanting to close the borders to all immigrants; it's a backlash against one particular group of new arrivals "” usually one which is perceived to have developed a sudden large presence in the teller's neighborhood.

In Miami, it's Cubans who are said to be getting all those government goodies. In Detroit, it's recently-arrived Arabs. And all over the U.S.A., Asians are rumored to be getting those tax breaks, free shoes, new cars, and interest-free loans.

By implication, newcomers who are not members of the favored group are on the hook like the rest of us -- they have to pay the same taxes anyone born in the United States would. Depending on the version of the rumor you hear, members of the favored group are entitled to a seven (or five) year income tax holiday. Another detail of the rumor has the government obligated to buy each of them a new car. An even wilder detail gives each immigrant a tax holiday, a new car, a house, and a shoe allowance. In some versions, the tax-exempt status is said to be transferable to others "” the usual method being that a blood relative takes over title to the immigrant's business at the end of the tax holiday period, thereby extending the tax break for another seven years.

This isn't a U.S.A.-specific legend. It was sighted in Australia in 1986, and there the favored group was said to be the Vietnamese. (In that rumor the immigrants got a new car as well as a tax exemption. Not a flashy sportscar or anything like that, but at least a reasonably ubiquitous family sedan.)

A kissing cousin of this legend exists in the UK, where it's known as "The Secret Furniture Store." According to this tale, immigrants to the UK know only two words of English: "Social Security." Upon their arrival at the port of entry, immigrants utter these words to the immigration officer on duty, causing a special social worker to be summoned. The immigrants are then taken by the social worker to a secret warehouse, where they are allowed to choose color televisions, living room sets, beds, stoves, and whatever else they need. Everything they pick out is loaded onto a truck for delivery to their new home. The immigrants are also given keys to a new municipal dwelling, along with registration books for welfare benefits for all the family.

Another persistent U.S.A. rumor has it that Asians are exempt from paying sales tax.

None of the above happen. But you can see how believing it adds to the backlash against the newer groups' elbowing their way into an established society. Rumors like these identify the recent arrivals as a "drain on society," plus they give all the hard-working, non-recent immigrants even more reason to hate the parvenus. If there's an extra slice of pie to be had, it should be going to those who are already here, not to those who just waltzed in, says the rumor. It's just not fair.

This is a rumor of resentment. Those who have been here for a while look around their neighborhood and see what they perceive as too many of an identifiable group of new arrivals upsetting their apple cart. Rather than identifying their feelings as "We were here first, and we don't want you lot changing the world we've built," they channel resentment that cannot be expressed honestly into a rumor that focuses their bad feelings on the last group through the gate but also provides a justification for expressing those feelings. A proper conscience does not rest comfortably when its owner's anger is being directed at a group that doesn't deserve it. However, give that conscience a reason to believe that the other group has done something to merit displeasure, and the restraints are lifted. It becomes okay to resent, and even to hate.

It's often a rare immigrant indeed who believes the borders shouldn't have been closed right after he crossed them.
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Old 01-18-2005, 12:09 PM   #2
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Of course they don't get any tax breaks if they don't pay taxes. But they still get free healthcare when they check into a hospital and don't pay the bill, among other public service rip-offs.
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Old 01-18-2005, 12:22 PM   #3
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Show me some info where a guy that comes here and opens a chinese Restaurant doesn't have to pay his property,school,quarterly buisness taxes and his income taxes at the end of the year.
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Old 01-18-2005, 12:27 PM   #4
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Show me some info where a guy that comes here and opens a chinese Restaurant doesn't have to pay his property,school,quarterly buisness taxes and his income taxes at the end of the year.
There isn't any that I know of. Maybe my memory is foggy, but has anyone here (who is taken seriously) ever claimed such a thing? I wouldn't believe any of this if anyone ever told me. Illegals certainly find ways around taxes, but a legal alien is just another person who has to pull his own weight as far as the IRS is concerned.
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Old 01-18-2005, 12:31 PM   #5
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I've seen it said on here especially on threads about the Hmongs etc.

I didn't think illegals payed taxes. I have no compassion for illegals.

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Old 01-18-2005, 12:36 PM   #6
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I've seen it said on here especially on threads about the Hmongs etc.
Ah, I didn't pay much attention to those threads. I get tired of the bigotry, and so it doesn't surprise me that rumors like this made an entrance into the discussion.

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Well, I might come across a story that tugs at my heart a bit, but then again I feel criminals need to pay regardless of what drove them to crime.

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Stories about immigrants' receiving new cars, apartments and clothing allowances from the government and being exempted from paying taxes date to the late 1960s "” that's how old this canard is.

Nope.

Illegals are ILLEGALLY receiving welfare et. al. benefits as we speak. Bushy wants it that way.
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The costs of supporting the criminal aliens that migrate from Mexico and other countries cannot be calculated and far exceeds any "contributions" they make to our economy.

The contention that these criminals pay taxes is another fallacy that does not stand up to the most superficial examination.

According to CBS news,

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in549153.shtml

illegal aliens paid 305 million dollars in federal income taxes using taxpayer identification numbers in 2001. Considering the estimated eight to twelve million illegal aliens in the country, this equates to about thirty dollars apiece - and is nowhere near enough to pay for the damage they do to our health care system, the strain they put on our schools, or the money they take from our entitlement programs - Twenty-five percent of illegal aliens are receiving government entitlements.

Plans to legalize these criminals are a slap in the face to American taxpayers, and to the immigrants who have followed our laws and waited for their turn. We must send a signal to the politicians who care only about their re-election, and vote out anyone who supports the policies of pandering to these criminals. You can fax your elected representatives for free to let them know how you feel at the following website:

http://www.numbersusa.com/fax
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Illegal Immigrant Workers Do More Harm Than Good
By Robert Klein Engler (12/16/04)

Many employers mistakenly believe there is nothing wrong with hiring illegal immigrants to work in the U. S., especially illegal immigrants from Mexico. These employers contend that, "Illegal Mexicans are hard workers and they improve our way of life." This argument may be based on personal experience, but it is not the greater truth based on facts. When seen from a broader, national perspective, illegal immigrant workers do more harm to U. S. society than they do good.

If we become familiar with the data about illegal immigration to the U. S., then we have to conclude that the personal experience of a hard working and low paid illegal, Mexican immigrant helping to improve our society is an illusion. When seen on a national scale, the impact of illegal immigration from Mexico is more harmful than beneficial. Illegal immigration from Mexico is a revolution that turns to disaster.
Although it may seem to those who hire illegal immigrants that no harm is being done to the nation, the increasing number of low paid immigrants in the U. S. means, among other things, increasing taxes for welfare payments. A Center for Immigration Studies report states that, "Not only do immigrants use welfare programs at higher rates than natives, their use of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is also substantially higher than that of natives... Persons receiving the EITC pay no federal income tax and instead receive cash assistance from the government..."

The CIS report goes on to say, "Mexican use of means-tested programs remains high even after welfare reform. Despite welfare reform and a strong economy in the latter half of the 1990s ...immigrants in general and Mexican households in particular use every major means-tested program at higher rates than natives. Mexican households...use of TANF/general assistance, food stamps, Medicaid, and the subsidized school lunch program is dramatically higher than households headed by natives."

The Federation for American Immigration Reform adds more evidence to why illegal immigrant workers are harmful in the long term to U. S. society. (FAIR) sums up a report by the National Academy of Science on immigration this way: "Immigration is the driving force behind rapid population growth, has a negative impact on lower-skilled, less-educated Americans, immigration is exacerbating the wealth gap, has contributed to the increase in high school dropouts, immigrant-headed households use more in government services than they contribute in state and local taxes, and is a substantial tax burden to native households, especially in states with large immigrant populations..."

Writing about the cost of illegal immigration in a recent issue of Fortune magazine, senior editor Geoffrey Colvin echoes many of the NAS conclusions. Colvin writes, "This is big trouble for a couple of reasons, the first being simple economics. Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes but do consume government services, especially medical care and education."

He adds, "The full economic effects are much wider. Employers who hire illegals pay them cash and thus evade employment taxes. They may also not report revenue from the work the illegals do and thus evade income taxes. Companies that compete with these employers must cut their own costs, mostly by paying their own workers (regardless of status) lower cash wages under the table, and the tax evasion spreads further."
By some estimates, services to illegal immigrants will cost the state of Illinois $500 million a year. This is in a state that faces a budget crisis similar to the one in California. The Migration Policy Institute estimates that there are over 500,000 illegal immigrants living in Illinois. Many of them are getting welfare payments of one kind or another.

Furthermore, FAIR reports that, "Illinois authorities requested compensation of $36.4 million from the federal government for the incarceration of illegal aliens in state and local jails and prisons in FY '99 (under the federal State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, or SCAAP), but it received only $14 million in compensation, leaving $22.4 million in uncompensated costs to be borne by Illinois taxpayers." In 2005, all these costs will increase.

Don't be fooled by those who say the cheap labor of illegal immigrants comes cheaply. A $20 meal in downtown Chicago, with 9% tax and 15% tip will cost you about $25. Residents and tourists to Chicago alike are already paying not only to eat but to subsidize the illegal Mexican busboy who makes $5 an hour and cleans the table after they leave it.

In the short term, a rancher in Texas or a restaurant owner in Chicago may win by employing low paid and illegal immigrants from Mexico. Yet, in the long term, our country as a whole loses by the presence of these illegal workers. One by one, like the incessant drip of water into a bucket, a quantitative increase in the numbers of illegal immigrants produces a qualitative change in the nation. It doesn't take long for the bucket or the nation to overflow.

Those who argue for open borders are like those who believe the sun actually rises and sets. Personal experience may show them illegal immigrants who work hard, but from a larger national perspective, we see that more harm than good is done by employing these illegal immigrants. In the long term, secure borders, deportation and sound immigration policies are best for our nation. To these ends, employers should put patriotism before profits.

Robert Klein Engler lives in Chicago. He is an adjunct professor at Roosevelt University.
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Old 01-18-2005, 06:53 PM   #9
 
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Times have changed, but the fact is, a lot of the taxation issues for immigrants depend largely on whether or not there is a tax treaty with their country.

From the IRS Web site, since I know you won't take what I say at face value (a-hem):


Some NONRESIDENT ALIENS are eligible for exemptions from federal income tax withholding on wages because of tax treaties.
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...129245,00.html


I am a resident alien. Can I claim any treaty benefits?
Generally, you cannot claim tax treaty benefits as a resident alien. However, there are exceptions. See Effect of Tax Treaties in chapter 1. See also Resident Aliens under Some Typical Tax Treaty Benefits in chapter 9
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p519/ar02.html


International Taxpayer - Tax Treaty Overview

The United States has income tax treaties with a number of foreign countries. Under these treaties, residents (not necessarily citizens) of foreign countries are taxed at a reduced rate, or are exempt from U.S. income taxes on certain items of income they receive from sources within the United States. These reduced rates and exemptions vary among countries and specific items of income.

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...=96434,00.html



Publication 901, U.S. Tax Treaties, gives a quick reference to tax treaty provisions between the United States and tax treaty countries.
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Old 01-18-2005, 06:58 PM   #10
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Everyone get's exemptoins.Their still paying taxes.

I'll be honest I thought the seven years with no taxes was true, I was wrong.

Tardfarmer I'm not talking about illegal's.
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