The muslims are apparently unfazed by the results of the recent disaster. Fox News reports that the Saudi donation amounts to just a few hours worth of a day's oil profits. Clearly, they feel next to no need to provide any meaningful amount of aid.
That says a lot. It says to me at least, that they place a lower value on human life that "we" do. It says that it is okay for others to suffer as long as it has no direct effect on them, that they can maintain a detachment from others of like values and beliefs. Maybe they consider the disaster no more than "fate" like Aught Six, and therefore unworthy of any response at all really.
It is people of the same mindset upon whom we are trying to place "democracy" in Iraq. It is the same mindset within which we are apparently trying to instill fundamental changes in values.
Fox also showed relief workers doing their thing as bystanders watched. One of the bystanders wore a T-shirt emblazened with a photo of Osama Bin Laden.
Within Iraq elections will take place amidst violence and bloodshed. This will be a defining moment in a number of ways. America has a tremendous interest in the outcome. So does Bush.
Will these people make the right choice? If they do, will it stick? If not, have the lives lost been lost in vain at least to some degree? Can you change massive numbers of people that seem inherently morally corrupt?
50 years from now we'll be asking when are we going to bring the troops home?
The Sunni and Shiites will still be killing each other and both groups will be killing the Kurds.
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Maybe they consider the disaster no more than "fate" like Aught Six, and therefore unworthy of any response at all really
. I heard yesterday that some clerics were saying the disasters were allah's way of showing his displeasure with the life styles in these countries.Hey didn't Pat Robertson and Jerry Fawell say the same thing about 9/11?
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Will these people make the right choice?
I guess that all depends on who is deciding about that choice.
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Can you change massive numbers of people that seem inherently morally corrupt?
I don't think you can.
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Maybe they consider the disaster no more than "fate" like Aught Six, and therefore unworthy of any response at all really.
I said that, yes, @#$% happens. But I also said that we should help since it's the right thing to do. However, I don't think we should be expected to help simply because we're rich, and then end up being insulted when we don't give as much as some third-party (particularly one such as the UN) would like.
Charity with strings attached is a not charity at all. It is a bribe. One, be it a nation or individual, gives what it wants based on their beliefs not our.
The idea that I gave more or do more therefore I am righteous is as short sighted as thinking all things can, in the war on terror, be accomplished as easly as shipping a few tons of metal from one location to another.
The desired end result is in the positive benefits to the recipient, not the giver.
Our actions in regards to the tsunami and the war on terrorism will be measured in the out come, not the amount of lost or money spent or speed in which it was accomplished.
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Then Falwell said, "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Robertson replied, "Well, Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror, we haven't begun to see what they can do to the major population."
Falwell said, "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."
Robertson said, "I totally concur, and the problem is we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system."
Falwell added, "Pat, did you notice yesterday that the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, the People for the American Way, NOW, etc., were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress, as they went out on the steps and and called out to God in prayer and sang 'God bless America' and said, let the ACLU be hanged. In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time, calling on God."
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