Apparently, a psycho bought a shotgun and killed herself. She lied on the federal form, and now the liberals have another case of where they have to take all the guns because we are to stupid.
I don"™t want my medical records open to the public, and we don"™t need stricter gun laws. The parents are aiming at Wal-Mart because they have the deep pockets. The judge needs to step to the plate and throw this frivolous lawsuit out.
Given that she was committed by court order before, the judge should have issued an order forbidding her to own/purchase/possess firearms. He wouldn"™t have needed to state the private reason, but made sure that the FBI database was updated. The very first judge that she appeared in front of dropped the ball, and now we are all going to pay for it.
Wal-Mart did what was required by law. They are not at fault here, the psycho is.
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Her mother, Lavern Bracy, is suing the world's biggest store chain for $25 million, saying clerks should have known about her daughter's illness or done more to find out.
Yeah, I guess the cashier missed the "I'm Crazy" tattoo on the woman's forehead.
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"We know that if they had so much as said, `Why do you want this?' we would not be having this conversation because Shayla would have had a meltdown," said her stepfather, Garrett Bracy.
Perhaps all Wal-Mart employees should ask this question of all purchasers. "Why do you want this bag of pretzels? You're not going to try and choke yourself, are you?"
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The Bracys said Wal-Mart's gun department could have checked Wal-Mart's own security files or the pharmacy department's prescription records before selling her the weapon.
You have got to be kidding me!!! Besides violating the civil rights of anyone who chooses to exercise those same civil rights to buy a gun, what good would it do? The Gun Control Act has very specific restrictions on firearms purchases. Private security records and prescriptions do not contain legal proof of criminal convictions or mental incompetency.
What really ticks me off is the fact that this woman blames Wal-Mart and the government for her daughters suicide, yet she says nothing of her responsibilities as a parent. If her own flesh and blood was violently unstable with a history of mental illness and hospitalization, why didn't she provide the care and supervision required?! I'm truly sorry that she lost someone so close to her, but that doesn't give her a free pass to make the rest of the country pay for the loss.
As I said, the liberals are coming for us. If they can't get us one way they will try another and another and anoth....
We need some good conservative constitutional judges on the bench that not only throw out this type of frivolous lawsuit but also jail the idiot lawyer that brought the case.
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"Does that mean mental illness prevents everyone on Prozac from owning a gun? Or women with PMS?" he said.
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Federal law prohibits stores from selling guns to people who, like Stewart, have a history of serious mental illness.
If Federal law prohibits such sales, what is the dealer's responsibility for checking for serious mental illness? In what way does a dealer go about this?
The federal firearms report is filled out in part by the purchaser and if they lie on the part that ask if they have ever been committed how is anyone at the point of purchase going to know? Currently there is no way. It is not the gun outlets fault.
Do we need a data base for this type of thing. Maybe. Why not have one and cross check it agianst any current gun registration records that currently exist in Federal, State or local files. Require doctors to report any and all incident of persons with mental illness.
Like the saying goes, you are either pregnant or you are not, You are not a little pregnant.. The same holds truely of the mentally ill. The line is very thin and who wants to be the victim when the person goes off. Further they must be protected from themselves. It is for their own good. Just because someone is on medication today does not mean they will take the prescription tomorrow.
In WI we have a Chapter 51 which allows LEO and other professionals to commit persons for mental observation. I have had to commit many people over the years. I know I have saved their lives and maybe others. In some cases I don't know what would have happened but it is a safe bet that they were a risk to themselves and others. They are certainly not the one to judge that fact. Once they are in protective custody a mental health professional make the final determination. They can be held for 72 hours awiting that review. The record of the Chapeter 51 is included in the CIB and NCI files. All of them should be, not just the ones involving police contact.
I can recall several incidents right here in Milwaukee where people who were on meds for the minor mental illness were involved in case of either themselves or others being killed or injured.
The right to have a weapon, even a bow is not absolute. Under current domestic violence (DV) lawsa person convicted of any crime related to DV can not have either a gun or in some states even a bow. There is a national data base for that information.
The guy who's just angry today but doesn't take his meds tomorrow or for a couple of days is the guy who goes into work and shoots the staff or goes off when the Police stop him.
Just like we as a community have a responsibility to protect our children, we have an obligation to protect the mentally ill.
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Do we need a data base for this type of thing. Maybe. Why not have one and cross check it agianst any current gun registration records that currently exist in Federal, State or local files. Require doctors to report any and all incident of persons with mental illness.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...you're scaring me, logs. I know you have a unique perspective as a LEO, but more registration and more databases? Big Brother is all grown up now, and we don't need to fatten him up anymore than we have already. Besides cataloging and tracking purchasers and their weapons, you think that doctors should break their patients' confidentiality as well?
I don't believe in background checks, period. We all know and agree that gun control works very, very poorly in terms of preventing crime and violence. If we can't trust someone to own or use a gun, then perhaps they need to be locked up indefinitely. I'm not going to sumbit more personal information in the process of lawful purchase just to stop the odd nutball from abusing our rights.
The mentally ill might be our end
