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Old 12-10-2004, 09:26 AM   #1
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***an Defense Plan Shifts Pacifist Stance

Call me crazy, but I'm not too worried that we'll see the return of a military empire in the Pacific. China and North Korea are security threats, and I believe ***an would make a great ally to keep these nutball communist countries in their places. We'll need all the help we can get in the next 50 years.

I've never been to ***an, but it seems pretty westernized from what I do know. I suppose some shame still hangs over people who are familiar with WW2, but the country needs to look forward if it's going to survive a world in which China is the major superpower.

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Old 12-10-2004, 09:32 AM   #2
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Shame for who ***an or the USA?
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Old 12-10-2004, 09:36 AM   #3
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I mean the ***anese who now realize how brutal their leadership was during the war. My wife's grandmother was a nurse who was sent to Hiroshima in the days after the bombing, and Mrs. Six remembers that she plainly stated they were wrong. She saw a lot of death, suffering, and destruction, but she was confident that the country brought it on themselves.

The same kind of mentality lasted in Germany for decades. It was a cultural phenomenon--"Deutsche Schuld", German Guilt. Why do you think that anything to do with Naziism was banned and remains so today?
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Old 12-10-2004, 09:40 AM   #4
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Agreed. A stronger, more prominent ***an will help us in dealing with the N. Koreans as well. I think it'll be another generation, maybe two, before other Asian countries don't look at the ***anese with dislike. The ***anese killed hundreds of thousands of Chinese, Koreans, Philipinos, etc. It's unbelievable . . .
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Old 12-10-2004, 09:48 AM   #5
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Ok. i didn't know where you were coming from.


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It might be banned in Germany but the Nazi's are growing everyday in Germany. Their has been a huge rise in violence against immigrants in Germany.
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Old 12-10-2004, 09:57 AM   #6
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It might be banned in Germany but the Nazi's are growing everyday in Germany. Their has been a huge rise in violence against immigrants in Germany.
Oh, no question about it. The up-and-coming generations have all but forgotten their history lessons. I don't think it helps that no one feels comfortable talking about the issue. Also, they've never considered themselves as a nation of immigrants, like the U.S. does, and some feel threatened that they're national identity is being blown away in a multi-cultural haze. We've gotten some of that here as well.
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***an is prohibited by the terms of the surrender agreement from having a military force other than for self defense purposes . The surrender treaty also states what size that force can be and is binding to this day as far as I know .

China a superpower ? An economic superpower perhaps , but if they had any military aspirations they would have tried something by now . Having nukes and using nukes are not the same thing . China has a standing army that outnumbers nearly every other country's population , but they couldn't raise the cash to mobilize them across the street if they had to . The fact that you have a sword doesn't mean that you can use it .
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Did ***an not envoke a 1 child rule decades ago and encourage all male children ? It seems I read or heard of that at some time in the past. That would create generations of humans with no Aunts and no Uncles and no first cousins would it not ? and also build up a population that would be heavily weighted to males ie military
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***an is prohibited by the terms of the surrender agreement from having a military force other than for self defense purposes . The surrender treaty also states what size that force can be and is binding to this day as far as I know .
Yep, but being close as they are to the U.S., I doubt the State and Defense Departments will do anything but help them expand. Israel has sold some of our military systems to China, and I would recommend selling such technologies directly to the ***anese military.

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China a superpower ? An economic superpower perhaps , but if they had any military aspirations they would have tried something by now . Having nukes and using nukes are not the same thing . China has a standing army that outnumbers nearly every other country's population , but they couldn't raise the cash to mobilize them across the street if they had to . The fact that you have a sword doesn't mean that you can use it .
They haven't beaten us yet, but they're on their way. As China keeps developing rapidly, their GDP is going to blow through the roof. If we were to go to war with China, it would be like the Eastern Front. Yes, Germany had superior forces and equipment, but Russia had vast resources of labor and materiel. I think Germany could've defeated the Soviets, but they didn't plan or strategize properly. I only hope we wouldn't make the same mistake.

Mark my words, if China keep up its market reforms and investments, it will become the greatest economic superpower ever seen, and they'll find ways to increase their defense budget. There are only two things holding them back: rabid Maoism, and enviromental collapse. The country could revert to their old ways, but they're growing smarter as they growing richer. It looks like it's just a matter of time before they pass us in the world.
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Old 12-10-2004, 02:17 PM   #10
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I may be wrong, but I thought that a deployable military was not only prohibited by the surrender/peace agreement of 1945, but also by the Constitution ***an ratified after the war as well. If this is the case, ***an would have to amend their Constitution AND violate/seek the dissolution of the non-offensive military clause of the peace treaty. Of course, I can't really see why at this point the U.S. would resist such a move.

I'd bet a big ***anese military would give ol' Kim Jong Il a few sleepless nights, but I can't say for certain if a major ***anese military buildup might not further destabilize the region. What happens when China or N. Korea starts feeling like they are about to get backed into a corner by such a buildup and reacts by assuming a more agressive posture. I could drive us to war before we are ready to fight it or incite N. Korea to do something in desperation with, say, a nuclear weapon. It's a tough strategic and tactical situation, and we'd better have our ducks in a row. N. Korea needs to be dealt with, but right now we have enough irons in the fire. Let's deal with the whacko Islamists first.

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