Well from what this article says it looks like Canada will probably not grant asylum, but we shall see.
These guys need thier butts kicked, they join the military knowing full well what the military does and then when they are asked to do thier jobs they refuse!!
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The Tazman aka Martin Price
Proud father of a Devil Dog
Actually I believe they are deserters. That is a step or two below AWOL.
Also there are Six of them there now and one of them has dual citizenship.
The wheel of American justice moves very slowly in Canada. The first two had there intial hearings in July and here it is December and there has been no decision. Once there is one they get another 18 months or so for appeal. Then if they father a child or the single ones marry, there the situation changes to their favor.
You got to just love it. They are deserters. They volunteered, no I got draft BS. Send them back without delay, thank you.
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Now you have to picture a combination of PeeWEE Herman and Wally Cox but with less muscle tone, trying to be intimidating None of this is funny! Message edited by Cougar Mag -- 1/7/2005 1:16:42 AM >/b]
I will not comment on this fellows acts, simply because it's not been given to me to do so. However I will say that everyman MUST place the law of God, above men. In other words, a soldier should obey his commands, so long as they are in the confines of moral legality.
Considering the attack on Iraq was an unprovoked act of violence designed at forcing people to accept US ideas, and mandates, I believe a soldier is well within his moral rights to refuse to take part in such things.
However, he is still bound by the laws of man, which are not always based on moral legality {abortion being a prime example}. In otherwords, if he truely is acting in accordance with Christ, he will be judged that way at his death, but for now he will have to meet the judgement of men's laws. If the law's of men condemn a man who is acting in righteousness, then those men will also be judged for their evil.
shrewman a person who feels that way should never have joined the service, it is one thing if an individual is drafted, but then again they have the option to be a conscentious (sp) objector which will keep them out of fighting, the people being refered to volunteered for the military and knew exactly what they were getting into.
Shrewman remember you saying you wouldn't vote for some one who lied and you didn't want to work with anyone who was a liar? Well these folks made a promise to do a job and now they are breaking thier promise.
You are right though, God is the final judge of us all, I have an opinion of these people, just as you have an opinion on politicians that lie, but in the end God will have the final say.
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The Tazman aka Martin Price
Proud father of a Devil Dog
Very well put, Taz. These soldiers have gone back on their word and abandoned their comrades when they need them the most. I don't take kindly to liars, and I certainly have no sympathy for those who volunteer to defend our country and Constitution only to turn their backs to us and run away.
Well the woman will just get pregnant and their offspring wil become Terroists, and that what the kids will end up being too. So what's wrong with shooting women and kids????
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Didn't really think I was serious did you?
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You're only one post away from a federal watch list.
So taz, are you saying that a volunteer soldier should, for example attack women and children if they are commanded to?
shrewman this statement right there tells me you have never been in the military and as a result you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about!
According to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) it is every soldiers duty to not follow an illegal order! So to answer your question if ordered to knowingly kill innocent civilians, whether a draftee or a volunteer, the soldiers right and duty is to disobey an illegal order.
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The Tazman aka Martin Price
Proud father of a Devil Dog
So taz, are you saying that a volunteer soldier should, for example attack women and children if they are commanded to?
That's a ridiculous question. There are rules of engagement, and our soldiers/marines/sailors/airmen are all expected to obey them. If a CO or other superior gives an illegal order, the recipient may challenge that order. That is a completely different situation than one in which a federal employee renegs on his/her signed and sworn contract.
AWOL soldiers seek asylum in Canada!
