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Old 11-16-2004, 04:23 PM   #1
 
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O.k. your going to think I'm totally heartless. But when it comes to all these beheadings and executions, they have it coming. It's obvious that your just not safe if you go there. It's also obvious that they don't wan't anyone there. If you know that it could happen, than for what reason do people keep going over there? Is it worth the risk? Just let that whole area disolve into nothing. Let them feed themselves, let them rebuild. Our ancestors did just fine here. If they were meant to be, they would finf a way to get things straight there without innocent people dieing, trying to help them. They don't share a single brain. Let them kill each other off like barbarians and call it done. When the first executions took place, I was very angry and felt bad for their families. But now, they know it's happening, for Gods sakes, get the Hell out of there. Thanks for letting me vent.
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:19 PM   #2
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Our ancestors did just fine here.
Makes evolution sound better all the time. Do I want to claim my ancestors are monkeys or Iraqis? Hmmm...tough one.
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Old 11-17-2004, 06:46 AM   #4
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A lot of our ancestors died taking chances on a new life. They faced "barbarians" as they moved westward. Still, they had the drive to accomplish something. In Iraq, it's either humanitarianism/charity or profit that drives these people. Somewhat different motives than our ancestors, but same human drive.
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:35 AM   #5
 
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The purpose of the war is not just about ending a horrible dictatorship, it is about establishing a Free and Democratic state in the middle east. That is not just a good thing for the people of Iraq but for us and the future of the USA as we know it.

The world is a lot smaller place now that it was when the Europeans first settled the New World. What happens or is allowed to happen in one place has a direct effect on the rest world.

Im not a socialist but I do believe in helping my neighbor or someone that I see is in trouble. Letting things deteriorate there and it will spread like a cancer everywhere in the MiddleEast.
Just think, knowing what we the general public knows now, how Saddam had the UN and some European nations scambling to get those oil vouchers. The guy had them in his pocket and they were selling the US out for money. If we had not made the moves we did or are doing, where would the terrorist be doing their killing? Where would their resources be spent?
No, saving the people of Iraq is a good thing for us and the rest of the world if we remain resolve and finish what we have started.

Our motive there are not just humanitarian, they are selfish out of the need to survive.
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:39 AM   #6
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We didn't go to Iraq because we are "Mr Nice Guy." We went to Iraq to serve our self-interest, the basic reason any country ever undertakes foreign actions at great expense of treasury and men's lives (as it should be, I say). What self-interest? To provide for our own security. Argue this as you will, but in my opinion this was the motivation and a sound and well calculated motivation. Look how Fallujah operated as a virtual magnet to Jihadists -- people coming in from Iran, Syria, Austria. We are fighting them on their land instead of our own and out in the open playing to the strengths of our military rather than where their strengths advantage them.

Not everyone in Iraq dispises our presence. Many of those who despise our presence now may celebrate our action five years from now when Iraq is a peaceful democracy and their children can go to school -- girls too, not just boys as would be the case if the Sharia laws islamic fundamentalists took charge -- and their economy gets into gear. Does it look bad now? Worse than Germany or ***an did in January 1946?

The insurrectionists are a small portion of the Iraqi population. They inflict many casualties on the Iraqi population, not just foreigners.

The battle is long and victory is not to the weak hearted. We didn't choose this battle, we were called to on 9/11. Could we return to peace with these guys if we changed some of our foreign policies which may be particularly obnoxious to them? Perhaps be a little more even handed in our attitude towards the resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli issues (Israel still occupies Palestinian land conquored in the 1967 war -- though Egypt and not Palestine was the aggressor in that war -- against international and US understandings)? Perhaps getting US troops out of muslim holy lands? Would this establish peace with the radical islamic jihaddists? I suspect not.
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It is true that a free Iraq will not only serve the Iraqi people well, it will serve the US & other free countries well. Freedom, Liberty, & Democracy are the most potent weapons to defeat tyrrany, terrorism, & facism. With these rabid terrorists, nothing short of our eradication will please them - this is a truth that many don't want to deal with, however it remains the truth. They will strike the US again if the pressure is eased. They use the lowest tactics - targeting innocents, booby-trapping dead bodies, faking death or surrender, using women & children as shields. If they are not fought, defeated, & exterminated like the vermin they are there they will certainly be waging a terrorist war here.
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:13 AM   #8
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They don't share a single brain. Let them kill each other off like barbarians and call it done. When the first executions took place, I was very angry and felt bad for their families. But now, they know it's happening, for Gods sakes, get the Hell out of there.
But THEY say iraq is also the area of the garden of eden& cradle of civilation etc.

I agree with some of what ya say(let them kill each other as they have been since the begining of time)& wonder the whys to at times .I dont think only one answer could work,Various ppls various reasons.As time goes on they can even change with the changes(nope im not a poltican

I read the book written by tom hammell(Sp?) The mississippi farmer/truck driver working as a contractor& truck driver there hauling fuel etc .Captured& a prisoner for 23 days-i think he had more then one reason too.

When they got him was when they started beheadings& hanging the mutaled bodys from the bridges of Americans.

But to say they had it coming- is about as assanine as i have heard.(they didnt go there to get killed, even if a risk& a possibility)

Thats what we tell ppl who get cancer/ involved in wrecks/house fires, rape roberry assult& death? They had it coming?

When i come apon the bodys of the road dead& crippled& mangled & survivors& there familys& i said/say " They had it coming" they would think me a *******& rightly so.

50,000+ dead & many more mained for life on the road(in the us). But a risk all take(and take for granted or except it or dont think about it .

Ppl make special trips out to get a pack of gum, a cup of coffee, a donut, or many others
meaningless things- they risk there life for- relizing it or not.

Of course its not the same is it?Same end results.

But no enemys playing on your emotions& fears- no beheadings for relgious/poltical/propaganda reasons , no desicration of the dead.

Everyone whats to live forever- even after there dead.Why is that?
Obviously life is not safe.[&:]

A lawyer could maybe argue-By not playing more willing victims& attempting to stop them we deprive those muslims in a holey war there freedoms to practice there relgions idea that the nonbelievers, the infadels must be killed(like sheep) to protect the nation of islam. Nice nabors ehh.[&:]
Of course they dont stay only in there part of the world, they originated from.They come to America to kill those they dont agree with & kill us anywhere in the world they can.

Dosnt seem like something you can or should egnore. Maybe if they took out ottawa& the innocent ppl there just doing a job you would feel diffent?

What is sicking is the ongoing poltices& poltical correctness played - that cost Americans there lives
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Im not a socialist but I do believe in helping my neighbor or someone that I see is in trouble. Letting things deteriorate there and it will spread like a cancer everywhere in the MiddleEast.
Then why do we ignore Africa? I know the answer but I am wondering why stated the above????????????????
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