Their power is slipping away with each election cycle. Americans don't want their extreme agenda. Begalla(sp) on CNN, and Colmes on Fox were both talking about the necessary reformation of their party.
Even around this forum, if gun control weren't one of their issues, they'd have at least a little more support. Think of what it would do for them nationally. How many other hot button issues are they in the wrong side of?
I could care less if they shape up their organization, but I'm curious about it too. What changes would have to take place (if any) before you would support a Dem. candidate? Do you think they will change, and if they do, could they become powerful again?
I think if they got rid of everyone and started over, some may come back to them. Not me though, I've seen the deceit that the Dems stand for and the communist ways and I will never vote Dem again. Once a commie always a commie. I'm a registered Democrat but pull the straight Republican lever on election day!
MAN I CAN'T STAND THAT EDWARDS EITHER! WHAT A CONNIVING LITTLE LIAR. HE'S LIKE A SALESMAN TELLING YOU TO "BEND OVER AND TRUST ME".
As a right-leaning, nationalistic Libertarian, I could never see myself voting for a Democrat.
I don't get along with some Republicans, but I really can't stand anything that Democrats are for. I just can't imagine the Left changing their policies--increased taxes on inviduals and businesses, bloated welfare programs, gun control/bans, anti-militarism (Global Test, anyone?), minority special treatment, etc. For decades they've been trying to march in perfect step with liberal Europe, and I don't see how they could just abandon that goal all of the sudden.
If they don't learn from this then thier power is gone forever and we will need to no longer fear them. As long as thier party as a whole supports gun control, You couldn't pay me to vote for one.
I have three vital things that I consider in a president (and probably any federal elected official): (1) they must not be anti-gun and preferably a strong supporter of the second amendment as a guarantee of an individual right to keep and bear arms, (2) a firm supporter of national defense, and (3) a fiscal conservative. While Bush spent a lot of money, I agree with Bush's statement in one of the debates that circumstances -- a flagging economy and a state of war brought on by the 9/11 attacks -- pushed him to this. I don't insist that a presidential candidate be a hawk, but Zell Miller made the case that Kerry voted against just about every weapons system investment you can name: "what are you gonna' fight with? Spitballs!?"
If they don't they better get used to being in the minority, I think America pretty well spoke Tuesday and it did'nt have very much good to say about liberlism.
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THE NRA, WHERE WOULD YOU AS A GUN-OWNER BE WITHOUT THEM.
GUN-OWNERS, UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL.
anyways its up to the dems to change but imo they arent becuase the liberals that i know in person are personally depressed and are going nuts etc , now they either go cuckoo or calm down and analyze the situation and put their party back to together by peices because it took the republicans a long time to get here today and not overnight. IMO again the liberals will go as far as to try and impeach the president for a reason
IMHO, they have some issues I could support, but instead they focus on everything I hate. Civil unions, gun control, government health care, etc. The list goes on and on. They thought these were the Repbulicans weak spots in 2000. Then they decided they didn't focus on them enough, so they made a bigger deal out of it this year. Lost worse than last time. They just don't strike me as fast learners. I think they will continue to slide until normal people reclaim the party.
I won't go so far as to call them commies or unpatriotic. According to the history books, most communist governments used propaganda like that to persecute their political enemies.
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You may beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride!
Will they learn? NO....and YES. They have already started to voice some of the things that they need to learn fix such as recognizing who will and won't vote, gettin gmore organized and mobilizing their base....but that is also where they are demonstrating an inability to adapt. Their base is extreme liberalism....and they aren't all on the same page. They're all over the place so mobilizing them in any one direction is difficult. They despise Bush so they run a guy who is the Anti-Bush. But to try to sell him to America they spend a year attempting to disguise him as Bush on many key issues. In the end I think that was what made Kerry lose. you could not hold up his record of who he was and get it to match to who he SAID he was. That is a huge problem. With Bush, you might find some chinks in his arguments for the things he does but who he is and who he says he is doesn't change.
I am not sure when the Democrats will retreat from the extreme liberalism agenda they are on right now, but as an Ultra-Conservative liberal I am hoping that some time in my life time they will return to a more middle of the road Dixiecrat stance like they used to be down south! If they do that it will make political campaigns less mud slinging and more issue driven.
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The Tazman aka Martin Price
Proud father of a Devil Dog
Will the Dem's learn from this???
