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Old 10-27-2004, 07:08 AM   #1
 
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flag. Maybe he wants to open a season on Bald Eagles too. The Great White Hunter.

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Old 10-27-2004, 08:29 AM   #2
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I guess you're just venting. I don't see what flag burning and bald eagle hunting have to do with one another. Sure, they're both symbols of our country, but one is an inanimate object, the other a threatened wildlife species. Flags are replaceable, but eagles are not.

Free speech is the best example of what makes America such a great nation. Let people complain and look like extremist idiots. We can make more flags just as quickly as anti-americans burn them.
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Burning a flag to retire it also quite appropriate according to the protocol . We held a very nice and dignified flag retirement ceremony at the Midwest Gathering that involved cutting an old flag into pieces and burning them one by one , with each piece dedicate to something or someone . It was really quite moving .

Burning it as a symbol of protest , however , is still illegal and very likely to get your azz kicked if you do it around me . [:@]
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Burning it as a symbol of protest , however , is still illegal and very likely to get your azz kicked if you do it around me .
It's not illegal--it's protected by the First Amendment.

You can kick whatever you want, but I wouldn't say that's the best example of Liberty that you can offer. I don't like socialists who run their mouths, but this is America, and I'll respect their rights regardless of how idiotic their speech is.
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Burning it as a symbol of protest , however , is still illegal and very likely to get your azz kicked if you do it around me .
It's not illegal--it's protected by the First Amendment.

You can kick whatever you want, but I wouldn't say that's the best example of Liberty that you can offer. I don't like socialists who run their mouths, but this is America, and I'll respect their rights regardless of how idiotic their speech is.
Now I'm mad !
How the H@#% did this come about ? Oh yeah ...

Maybe not the best display of liberty Aught , but very likely just the same . Those who've seen me might be surprised since I look like a refugee from the Seventies , but I detest those who don't appreciate the magnificent country that's given them everything they have with so little asked in return . Burning a flag just to make some stupid commie statement makes my blood boil ! [:@]
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Flag burning is legal, and it is protected under the First Amendment. However, it is the single most unpatriotic expression a person can make.

When you burn a flag in protest, you are protesting and symbolically burning what that flag represents. The flag does not represent the president; not the congress, nor any politician. The flag does not represent policies, or cultural fads or trends. The flag represents the country itself, and the people in it. It represents our history and the Constitution. In burning a flag, a person is protesting the very rights they are utilizing in making that protest. They are protesting the existence of millions of people, including their own family and themselves. They are protesting our entire history, both good and bad.

My feeling is that domestic flag burners are either anti-American, or uninformed protesters with valid, but misguided intentions. If someone burns a flag at a NAFTA meeting, at a pro-Bush rally, at a pro-Kerry rally, or anywhere else in order to make a point, they are not protesting their target. In fact, they aren't even coming close to hitting the target, and the only point they are making is that they are ignorant. They are indeed protesting all aspects of the country, including their own rights.

Domestic flag burning is the most rediculous form of protesting (unless you are un-American, then you are making your point). It would be like protesting child abuse by burning baby dolls. The protest is inaccurate, and the symbolism is infuriorating.

That's my rant, and now I'm done!!
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Burning a flag just to make some stupid commie statement makes my blood boil !
Amen, brother. I don't like it, but I won't stop it. I'll just be sure to go out and let those kind of people know how simple-minded they are. That's one of the reasons I love this country so much.

Conservatives are, by nature, pretty conservative about protests. I'm no neocon, but generally I tend to put myself under the conservative group label. We don't seem to feel the need to picket, or block roads and buildings, or cause civil unrest. We don't go out of our way to terrorize and frighten people into swallowing our line, either. We try and do things the way they were meant to be done. I'd bet that's one of the reasons the Right in so familiar with the Constitution, while the Left continually bends it to their liberal ideals (i.e. the 2nd Amendment recognizes the right for hunters to have single-shot weapons, but not for society to protect itself against tyrants).

Having said that, there is absolutely nothing wrong in protesting in a lawful manner. We can write letters and emails, talk to the press (well, in theory at least), or counter-demonstrate peacefully. If I see some punk a$$ communist burning a flag, I'm not going to stomp him. I'd much rather live according to the the spirit of Liberty and offer my objections in an intelligent manner. If that doesn't work, and I feel the need to combat whatever argument they offer even further, I'll burn a communist flag.

I think violence has a time and a place, but not during some moronic demonstration.
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If burning a flag is free speech, why is pulling a trigger not free speech. Because they are actions not speech. I know its protected but only because most Americans dont respect it. Our founding fathers ment speech, not actions. A persons actions should still have accountablity. You can say what you want and its free as long as its within the parameters of who is in charge.
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If burning a flag is free speech, why is pulling a trigger not free speech. Because they are actions not speech.
Because flags do not have human rights.

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Nope, speech equals expression, and not only vocal expression.
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