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Old 10-11-2004, 12:29 PM   #1
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Default Do NOT outlaw drugs - see, they don't hurt anybody .......

Here's to all of you who are for legalized drugs and with your heads buried in the sand that drugs (be it steroids or cocaine) hurt no one but the users and should be legal.




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"It's a shame for his family as much as it is for his friends," former Padres teammate Andy Ashby said. "He's got three daughters who are going to miss having Dad around. It's a shame. It's a terrible thing."



Ex-NL star Caminiti dead at 41
By Ben Walker, The Associated Press
NEW YORK "” On the field, Ken Caminiti's all-out style served him well. Off the field is where it got him in trouble.

Ken Caminti breaks a bat over his knee after striking out in 2000. The late infielder played 10 seasons for the Astros in two stints and was the 1996 NL MVP with San Diego.
By Camilla McElligott, Houston Chronicle via AP

The 1996 National League MVP, who later admitted using steroids during his major league career, died Sunday. He was 41.

Caminiti died of a heart attack in the Bronx, said his agent-lawyer Rick Licht. The city medical examiner's office performed an autopsy Monday but could not rule on a cause of death until toxicology tests were complete, spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said. That process could take as long as 10 days.

"What we all loved about Cammy was his devotion to the game and his desire for the game," said one of his former coaches, Houston manager Phil Garner. "But it went into uncontrollable levels with no discipline."

Caminiti's 15-year big league career ended in 2001, five seasons after he led the San Diego Padres to a division title and was a unanimous pick for MVP. But the three-time All-Star third baseman often was in trouble the last few years.

Just last Tuesday, he admitted in a Houston court that he violated his probation by testing positive for cocaine last month, and was sentenced to 180 days in jail.

State District Judge William Harmon gave Caminiti credit for the 189 days he already served in jail and a treatment facility since he was sentenced to three years probation for a cocaine arrest in March 2001.

"This is the largest mistake I've made in my life," Caminiti said when he pleaded guilty in March 2002. "I had a real good thing going for me and I got sidetracked. It doesn't have to be that way. It doesn't have to be drugs. It doesn't have to be alcohol. That part of my life is over."

In May 2002, Caminiti told Sports Illustrated that he used steroids during his MVP season, when he hit a career-high .326 with 40 home runs and 130 RBI. He estimated half the players in the big leagues were also using them.

Licht said Caminiti hoped to get back into the game, possibly in a position that would allow him to mentor younger players about avoiding the mistakes he made.

"I'm still in shock," Padres general manager Kevin Towers said. "He was one of my favorite all-time players."

Caminiti did return to baseball this year, serving as a spring training instructor with San Diego.

"He didn't look good," Towers said. "The best way to describe him is that he was a warrior in every sense of the word. I can't tell you how many times I remember him hobbling into the manager's office, barely able to walk, and saying, 'Put me in the lineup.'"

Licht said Caminiti was in New York this past weekend to help a friend, but did not go into detail.

"Man, that's just a tough one. I played with him for eight years," Dodgers outfielder Steve Finley said Sunday night, learning of Caminiti's death after St. Louis eliminated Los Angeles from the playoffs.

"He was a great player, but he got mixed up in the wrong things "” taking drugs. It's a sad reminder of how bad drugs are and what they can do to your body. It's a loss all of us will feel."

Caminiti batted .272 with 239 homers and 983 RBI for Houston, San Diego, Texas and Atlanta.

His defining moment during his MVP season came on Aug. 18, 1996, in the oppressive heat of Monterrey, Mexico, as the Padres prepared to face the New York Mets in the finale of the first regular-season series played outside the United States and Canada.

Battling dehydration and an upset stomach, Caminiti took two liters of intravenous fluid, then hit two homers and drove in four runs in an 8-0 victory.

"Becky and I are grief stricken at the premature death of one of the bravest athletes that we have known," Padres owner John Moores said. "We admired Ken tremendously and remained optimistic that he would conquer the personal challenges that he was dealing with."

Caminiti teamed with Tony Gwynn and Greg Vaughn in the middle of the Padres' 1998 lineup, leading them to the World Series, where they were swept by the New York Yankees.

Towers and Licht both recalled the enormous ovation Caminiti received during a 2003 ceremony marking the Padres' farewell at Qualcomm Stadium. The team moved into a new ballpark this season.

Licht said he had to go to Houston to persuade Caminiti to make an appearance, and Towers remembered the former star was nervous.

"He didn't know what kind of reaction he would get," Towers said.

After being showered with cheers, Caminiti told Licht it was his greatest day in baseball.
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Old 10-11-2004, 12:35 PM   #2
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I don't get your point? He took steroids, and he paid the price for his actions. My uncle was struck and killed working on a highway, leaving behind my two cousins. Should we outlaw cars because they're bad for family?
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cant say that his death suprised me all that much, steroids are bad for you and cocaine doesnt help either.

unless you're counting emotional distress on his family, where did he hurt anyone besides himself?
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Old 10-11-2004, 12:56 PM   #4
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It's still a suposidly free country right?
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Old 10-11-2004, 01:09 PM   #5
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unless you're counting emotional distress on his family, where did he hurt anyone besides himself?
Yeah, they don't count at all, sorry about that.

BT - its never been a truly "free" country. If it was, everyboby would be teaching their kids to feed crocs early in life, wouldn't they ?

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My uncle was struck and killed working on a highway, leaving behind my two cousins. Should we outlaw cars because they're bad for family?
An accident that happened beyond his control. Can you say the same of steroid and cocaine ?
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Yeah, they don't count at all, sorry about that.
quit being such a silly *****cat. if we passed laws in order to prevent emotional distress we wouldnt have any freedoms because someone would always be hurt......... wait a minute we already have something similar, Political Correctness.
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Old 10-11-2004, 01:18 PM   #7
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An accident that happened beyond his control. Can you say the same of steroid and cocaine ?
The point is that two families are without a father. Should we point the finger or go on with life?

People are mortal, and if we do one thing well, it's dying. I just don't understand why people feel a need to interfere with others' actions in the name of protecting them from themselves. We can all complain about bad parenting, but the fact remains that the parents we have any control over are ourselves (myself excluded since I have no children). The same is true with anything so-called "bad" behavior.

Don't like drugs? Don't take them!
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Old 10-11-2004, 01:18 PM   #8
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unless you're counting emotional distress on his family, where did he hurt anyone besides himself?

Yeah, they don't count at all, sorry about that
Ok they realy don't. Not in that aspect. The same kinds of emotional distress could be caused by him leaving/abanding his family for a yonger woman. and leaving with a younger woman ant illeagle. Now is it?--------------------------------------------------------------------
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BT - its never been a truly "free" country. If it was, everyboby would be teaching their kids to feed crocs early in life, wouldn't they ?
--I never actualy said it was free did I? But using kids to feed crocs is a differnt mater than feeding crocs your self. IE he used the drugs he did not teach his kids to use them by forcing a needle in there arms.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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An accident that happened beyond his control. Can you say the same of steroid and cocaine ?
Well i dought he intended on them killing him.
But any substance can kill you. IE eat to many big mac's they will put a hurting on you.
I dont see the "HEA" hambuger enforcement angence braking down Mc D's doors. Do you?
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Geez, I thought you were all for personal responsibility.
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Old 10-11-2004, 02:40 PM   #10
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Now Sc let me get this right.
You say parants should have the right to rase a child any way they see fit.
And because aboration is leagle the kids should not be pretected under/by law.

But you think the parants should not be alowed to dicide if they want to use druges?
And you think druges should be illeagle?


very interesting views.
what happend to persional responcibilty?
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