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Old 09-02-2004, 08:35 AM   #1
 
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An estimated 1 million illegals are crossing the Mexican American border each year according to US border patrol officials. Bush has cut funding for the border patrol and enforcement of customs checks. There is also now a hiring-freeze for the border patrol.

This summer, a new policy allowing the vast majority 18 wheelers to cross without inspection was enacted. Now the trucks are rolling in full of who knows what.

Border patrol officials also say 2/3 of border patrol officers have developed low morale because of frustration with these rediculous policies and extreme budget cuts.


Out of 1 million per year, how many might be terrorist?

Out of 1 million per year, how many are smuggling in explosives, bioweapons, chemical weapons?

Bush's liberal border policies are endangering America's safety at home and have shown the hypocracy and ineffectiveness of the bloated "Homeland Security Dept."

(Now come the excuses and passing of accountablility)
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Old 09-02-2004, 09:11 AM   #2
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Frost, You don't know a guy named fng, do you? He sort of disappeared from here about the time you joined. Just wondering.
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Old 09-02-2004, 09:18 AM   #3
 
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I don't know any fng person.

However, this issue is almost always dodged by pretend conservatives. It really should be a nonpartisan thing but no one seems to want to face up to the realities of the danger posed by 1 million people sneaking into our contry each year.

This administration has ignored and furthered the problem and I have not heard Kerry propose anything better.
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Old 09-02-2004, 09:32 AM   #4
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I don't completely disbelieve what you're claiming, but I would like to know where you got your information from. I'm leery about any Bush-bashing, as it's become standard proceedure for the democrats to take literally ANY social or economic problem, real or percieved, and blame in on Bush. And since the liberals like to play fast and loose with the truth, no one here inclluding myself is going to just take you at your word when you post such things.

I will say that it wouldn't surprize me too much. Bush has already demonstrated a tendency toward a less than strict immigration policy, which is one thing Bush has done that I really don't like at all. Is that enough to get me to vote for the alternative? Heck no! If you think border security and immigration policy are bad under Bush, it'd be worse under Kerry. Kerry would not only let the little b*****ds in with no more than a second glance, but he'd gladly raise YOUR taxes to give them all a nice house, national health care and send them to college.

But let's face it, the only way to get our borders under control would be to do away with the Border Patrol (an inneffecive, bloated Federal agency...and I will NOT succom to the usual liberal drivel about how it's all because they're underfunded. That's a BS excuse that liberals use to justify taxing us more so they can redirect the money out of the general fund to their own pet social projects.) and turn border security over to the Marines (and Army too, I guess! ). Post 50,000 Marines 1/2 mile inside our southern border with orders to shoot anything that crosses the border at other than a customs checkpoint. But we'll never see such a policy, because there will never be a president or congress with the nuts to take such bold and direct action. But let's face it, as long as we prosper here, and especially as long as the socialist liberals (in an effort to import voters sympathetic to their cause) are willing to give handouts to every illegal lucky enough to evade law enforcement, and we have efforts by politicians to hand out drivers licenses and legitimise illegals, they WILL keep coming. Most of them have nothing to lose and everything to gain. They come knowing that they can get a better job than anything in Mexico, and that the government will fall all over itself to give these people handouts. If the only handout they got at the border was a rifle bullet, I think many would think twice.

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Old 09-02-2004, 10:33 AM   #5
 
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Last time I checked the constitution the president doesn't have the power or authority to cut anything from or add to any budget, that falls to the congress. The president can sign or veto the entire thing but cannot change it. How do you figure that Bush is resposible for any cuts to the Border Patrol?
Have you contacted your congressman and senators about this and let them know your feelings about it or do you only allow those of us here on the board access to your insight? What would your solution to the problem be? I personally favor the National Guard units of the border states spending their weekends and two weeks ACTDUTRA along the border as well as posting federal troops at various locations just for starters.
As for President Bush and his supporters here, many of us are disatisfied with any number of his positions and domestic programs but recognize his leadership and willingness to protect the country which is more important at this stage than anything else. Regardless of whether you and most other liberals understand it or not we are at war even if it is not a declared war, if it were, you would be even less happy.
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The figures and info. come from the US Border Patrol itself. In Arizona alone 300,000 illegals were captured and turned back.

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As for President Bush and his supporters here, many of us are disatisfied with any number of his positions and domestic programs but recognize his leadership and willingness to protect the country which is more important at this stage than anything else. Regardless of whether you and most other liberals understand it or not we are at war even if it is not a declared war, if it were, you would be even less happy.
First off, unless you are reading minds again, I'm not a liberal. I'm a true condervative Libertarian. Ceratinly not a Bush drone incapable of accepting criticism!!

So allowing 1 million unknown illegals per year to enter the country is protecting America??????[&:]

Maybe that's why 17 of the 9-11 high jackers had immigration violations that had not been enforced.

It was a protective tactic right????

And yes,,,, Bush has cut the budget by signing the bill to do so - his signature is on it so he takes credit for it - that's what personal responsibility means to those who don't "Pass the Buck."
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Old 09-02-2004, 11:20 AM   #7
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Frost, if you notice, the Libertarians platform calls for a 100% wide-open border. You still want to talk about liberal this and hypocrisy that?

Bush is wrong on the border--it's just that simple. But he's right on fighting this war overseas before terrorists get to the US. Our intelligence continues to pick up chatter and threats, and we go after each one with a vengeance. Guess you didn't hear about our arrest of Farida Goolam Mohamed Ahmed on July 19th, did you?

You keep lecturing everyone here about partisanship and flip-flopping, yet you're the one who continues to belittle Bush over anything you can get your hands on, rather than making the most out of the resources we have.

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1 million per year - sobbering and endangering America. Bush's policies for the most aprt are very liberal.

Record deficits, expanded medicare services, corprate welfare etc.

Fighting half a world away doesn't stop the 1 million. We don't need excuses made for the liberal Bush - we need to hold him accountable.
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1 million per year - sobbering and endangering America. Bush's policies for the most aprt are very liberal.

Record deficits, expanded medicare services, corprate welfare etc.

Fighting half a world away doesn't stop the 1 million. We don't need excuses made for the liberal Bush - we need to hold him accountable.
Again with dodging the meat of my response, huh? Yep, I can see how busy you are bashing Bush at all costs. You're really one to lecture all of us about making excuses.

In case you didn't notice those one million are illegal workers, not terrorists. Which do you think we ought to focus on the most? Go on, continue to ignore the progress we make against the ones who actually are trying to blow us up. I dare you to read up on the South African al Qaeda operatives we and Mexico have captured trying to hop the border.
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So allowing 1 million unknown illegals per year to enter the country is protecting America??????

Maybe that's why 17 of the 9-11 high jackers had immigration violations that had not been enforced.

It was a protective tactic right????

And yes,,,, Bush has cut the budget by signing the bill to do so - his signature is on it so he takes credit for it - that's what personal responsibility means to those who don't "Pass the Buck."

Still no excuses for these blatant contradictions of Bush's claims he "Protected America"??
Not from a potential 1 million terrorists a year he didn't. [&:]

Maybe someone will find a way to blame all this on Clinton so Bush can yet again dodge responsibility by "Passing the Buck" in true liberal-style fashion.
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