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Old 08-19-2004, 10:25 AM   #1
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Default take THIS all you pro-abortion supporters !!

And all of you who believe unborn babies aren't babies in the womb !




http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/condi....ap/index.html

BOSTON (AP) -- Madeline Mann once weighed less than a can of soda as the tiniest surviving newborn known to medicine. Next week, she enters high school as something even more extraordinary -- an honor student who plays violin and likes to Rollerblade.

"Her survival wasn't a miracle; her development was," says Dr. Jonathan Muraskas of Loyola University Hospital in Maywood, Illinois. He treated her as a newborn and reported on her progress Thursday with other doctors in a letter to the New England Journal of Medicine.

At birth, she wasn't even pint-sized. Born 27 weeks into her mother's pregnancy, she weighed just 9.9 ounces, less than any surviving baby in medical history. She was just 10 inches long, smaller than a football and resting easily in a nurse's hand.

Yet several factors favored her survival. She was a girl, and premature girls tend to fare better than boys. Also, earlier preterm babies have survived, including some after only 22 weeks of pregnancy. Today, 90 percent of newborns survive after 27 weeks of pregnancy.

Survival, though, is just the first hurdle. Major handicaps like blindness and mental retardation are common in the survivors. Madeline, now 15, suffers from little worse than asthma. She is very small for her age, though, weighing 61 pounds and measuring 4-feet-7.

Her parents conceived her by artificial insemination. Her 36-year-old mother developed pre-eclampsia, a potentially dangerous condition that raised her blood pressure and squeezed the blood flow to the developing fetus. Doctors decided to perform a Caesarean section 13 weeks before her due date.

"I remember hearing the softest sound, almost like a kitten," says Robyn Leslie, her mother. "Then I realized it was Madeline crying."

She needed a breathing tube and oxygen in her early days. "Mechanically, you worry about if you're going to be able to get a tube into her little windpipe and trachea. Actually I had no problem," says Muraskas.

Over later years, she developed normally in nearly every way and never returned to a hospital bed except for pneumonia at age 4, delaying kindergarten by one year.

However, her doctors cautioned parents and others from viewing her as proof that a very premature baby will surely prosper with good medical care. Often, such children don't.

"These extremely low birth-weight, 'miracle' newborns can propagate false expectations," warned her doctors in their correspondence to the medical journal.

Now living outside Chicago, Madeline returned to Loyola Hospital last week for a belated 15th birthday party and a reunion with doctors and nurses. A blonde slip of a girl, she beamed a smile full of teeth and braces.

Her curriculum vitae otherwise reads much like any other teenager's. She likes to listen to music, chat with friends on the Internet, go camping and ride horses.

Last summer, she joined in a volunteer project giving out blankets to children with cancer. She has worked for a food pantry, visited with residents at a nursing home, and traveled to Michigan to rehabilitate houses.

"Madeline has overcome a lot of barriers," says her mother. "She has written her own story."

Her fairy-tale ending? She'd like to be a psychologist.

She'll probably have to learn about emotional and mental aberrations from a textbook, though. Her doctors and family says she's just a normal teen


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Old 08-19-2004, 11:11 AM   #2
 
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how dareyou stealthycat! its not a baby, its a FETUS and its part of the woman's body therefore she can do whatever she wants to it.

thats gotta be teh worst arugment ever. the woman has one choice: whether to spread her legs or not.

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Old 08-19-2004, 11:44 AM   #3
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I don't know Deerslayer ,
my newest granddaughter was born at 22 weeks and weighed 14 ounces at birth . When my wife e-mailed to tell me that I replied "Fourteen ounces ? My shoe weighs more than that !" In fairness to you , her doctors said that she would never have survived without intervention and mechanical aids . She's still on oxygen and will undoubtedly have asthma , but she is alive and was before birth .
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Old 08-19-2004, 12:12 PM   #4
 
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Stealthy,

I'm not quite sure what this post is actually accomplishing. Newborns can now live ~20-22 weeks. This is amazing, but an argument against abortion...come on, you're better than this. What, bored? We all know that the vast majority of abortions occur during the first trimester, and this child was born in the 3rd...

Look at some of the statistics I found, answering one of your questions on the last abortion thread (ie. "where did you get those statistics S&R?")

In general, you can see that abortions are actually decreasing. Scroll down to the parts I've highlighted, and you will see that Christian women are as likely as other/non-religious women to get abortions, and that black & hispanic women are now oogles more likely to have an abortion in general.

Abortion Statistics - U.S.

Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S. according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute. Click here to see the approximate number of abortions in the U.S. per year from 1973-1996. In 2001, 1.31 million abortions took place.

88% of abortions occur during the first 6 to 12 weeks of pregnancy. 60% of abortions are performed on women who already have one or more children.
47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or more abortions.
43% of women will have had at least one abortion by the time they are 45 years old.

Abortion Statistics - Demographics

Age - The majority of women getting an abortion are young. 52% are younger than 25 years old and 19% are teenagers. The abortion rate is highest for those women aged 18 to 19 (56 per 1,000 in 1992.)

Marriage - 51% of women who are unmarried when they become pregnant will receive an abortion. Unmarried women are 6 times more likely than married women to have an abortion. 67% of abortions are from women who have never been married.

Race - 63% of abortion patients are white, however, black women are more than 3 times as likely to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are 2.5 times as likely.

Religion - 43% of women getting an abortion claimed they were Protestant, while 27% claimed they were Catholic.



Yearly Statistics
(Sorry, the site didn't list 97-00)

In 2001, 1.31 million abortions took place.

1996 - 1,365,700
1995 - 1,363,700
1994 - 1,431,000
1993 - 1,500,000
1992 - 1,528,900
1991 - 1,556,500
1990 - 1,608,600
1989 - 1,566,900


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http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

Oh, and Stealthy, don't over-read this single but very strong statement from your article...

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However, her doctors cautioned parents and others from viewing her as proof that a very premature baby will surely prosper with good medical care. Often, such children don't.

"These extremely low birth-weight, 'miracle' newborns can propagate false expectations," warned her doctors in their correspondence to the medical journal.
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And Stealthy...

I'm not sure I've seen/read anyone on the BBS debate that a baby past the first trimester is anything other than a baby...

I have read numerously where they believe the baby doesn't have rights, it's not fully developed...but I can't recall someone saying that it wasn't human or a baby after the first trimester...

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boring pointless topic.
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GA,

If it is boring and pointless, why are you opposed to the partial birth abortion Act? Partial birth abortions are those occurring in the 3rd trimester!!

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Old 08-19-2004, 01:36 PM   #8
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Stru&rut - Gobbler answered the reason I posted this topic. He is 100% in favor of killing unborn children at the same age that this baby was delivered. One moment BEFORE she was delived she was every bit as alive and living as the moment afterwards. Theres several yahoos here that do not believe this.

And where is Aught Six at ?

This NON VIABLE baby was delivered and has reached an amazing young life.
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Old 08-19-2004, 01:44 PM   #9
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thats gotta be teh worst arugment ever. the woman has one choice: whether to spread her legs or not.
You know, a guy has the same option of not having sex. This is a huge part of the problem and why many women choose to have abortions.....their partner won't be there or at least around to help support the child.
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Old 08-19-2004, 01:57 PM   #10
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Cougar Mag - You really believe that ? Babies are killed pre-birth because their mothers don't want to be burdened with them and take the responsibility. Now, the Laws of this country and state FORCE the men involved to financially be responsible, and to also sit idly by while their unborn children are killed.

How fair is that ?
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