What happened to school discipline?

[FirstBow]

Just what or whom caused the spanking/discipline in school's to stop?
Should it be re-instated?
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To me thats when the trouble started!
No control over juveniles!
Lost respect for teachers!
Lost respect for Law Enforcement!
Lost respect for Parents!
Lost respect for WOMEN!

Or is it just me again?

[ricoace]

To put it simply, some loser sued the school district and won big time...created a snowball effect through the years. Not to change the direction of this thread but I would like to ask another question...WHO are telling these kids starting from around the age of 7 that if thier parent spanks them they can call the police?

[aunsaber]

ricoace: very good point, I am glad my kids are grown or I would probably be in jail for spanking one or all of them.

The kids have to be tuaght that they are reponsible for their actions.
Instead they are taught that if they get caught THEY are a victim of society.[:'(][:'(]
What BS!!!!

[ricoace]

Same here Aunsaber...It wouldnt have been a deterence for me...Beat em until the cops get there. Or better yet, let em spend a few months in a foster home...Betcha they wont call the cops again

[deadshot]

i would be third in that boat, although i still have youngsters still in school,

the oldest of my 5 children whom is in her sophmore year in school had a teacher telling the class last year that if a parent hits you it is abuse, my daughter then told the teacher that if she or any of her siblings ever tried calling the cops on me after a punishment that there would be hell to pay around here,

well this wonderful teacher who has never raised a child much less disiplined a single student, decided to take it upon herself to call the local police department and report what my daughter had said earlier in her class,

well around 7:30 that nite i had 2 police officers on my door as well as a social worker, they had decided that this subject needed a looking into,well after almost an hour of this garbage that was being told to my children i asked the 2 officers if they had any evidence of neglect abuse or any other illegal actions, answer was no, not at this time. so i politely asked the 3 of them to leave which they did, but the social worker turned around to me while still on my front porch and said we will keep your name in our data base for 1 yr ,,,

to which i replied; if you think as parents my wife and i are doing such a bad job of it then why dont you take my 5 home with you and see how hard being a parent in these times can be, always having big brother telling our children to call the law everytime we say or do something, her reply was that her and her husband had decided not to have children because of the way that parents are constantly scrutinized by our legal system,,,

now as far as my kids go the 3 youngest boys ages 5, 7, and 11 have all had there share of good old fashioned butt whoopins , i refuse to let my children grow up believeing that there are no consequence's for there bad behavior,, and they all know that the first time they try pulling that call the cops on mom and dad crap foster home or juvenile hall will be there next residence,, maybe if the law stayed out of family matters as far as disiplineing our children then there wouldnt be so many kids pregnant or shooting other kids and they might even learn how to respect adults as we did when we where young

[PAhunter86]

What happened to school discipline?

I'm gonna be a senior, and from what I've seen in high school, seems like a lot of teachers are very leinent what it comes to the rules. Its common for students to talk back to the teachers and not get in trouble. Not all teachers are like this of course, but some are.

[Christine B]

It is called the "Zero Tolerance Policy" which means "ZERO COMMEN SENSE" in the public school systems nationwide! Less responsiblity for the teachers and school staff....the just either ignore, or expell any
"Problem students". My son starts kindergarten this year....and I am certainly not looking forward to it. He has been taught to not throw the first punch.....and they will tell him that if someone beats up on him, he is not supposed to do anything because he will be expelled too!
He has had his share of swats on the bottom when needed, is very well behaved, mannerly and respectful of adults and other individuals. My hope is that the school system does not ruin what he has been taught! My guess is what they may attempt to "unlearn" as to what he has been taught in the responsibility and respect department will be a daily job of "fixing" when he gets home from school.
It is also a standard that some schools will ask young children if their parents/or parent have firearms in the home. I have been working with my son for over a year now so that when he is asked that question...He will politely tell the teacher. " That is a question you need to ask my mom." And I just can't wait to be asked for the first time! Because my answer will be that it is quite simply NONE of THEIR business period!!!

[BenGarrett]

What happened to discipline in schools? Political correctness, of course.

It isn't just spanking or other forms of corporal punishment. It's punishment of ANY kind.

Somewhere along the way, it became politically incorrect to punish children. Now you do not punish for bad behavior. You try to help them learn that the behavior isn't correct. I'm serious about this crap. I spent four years in school as an education major before I got fed up and switched career paths.

You can't paddle a kid because you're teaching them that beating someone up just because you disagree with them is okay (an instructor really told me that!). You can't make them stand in a corner because it humiliates them in front of the other kiddies. You can't make them write the dictionary of a textbook or write I WILL NOT PUNCH LITTLE JOHNNY IN THE NOSE DURING SCIENCE CLASS 500 times because it teaches them to hate school work. You can't suspend him because, of course, kids need to be in school. You can't place him in in-school suspension because isolation isn't good for the children and it will cause Little Johnny to fall behind in his studies. As a parent, not only can you not do any of the above, but you also can't ground them to their room, because social interaction with peers is a very necessary part of a child's social development. I'm not making this crap up! Our prospective teachers are really being taught this in our fine liberal institutions of higher learning across this nation.

Well, I hate to break it to these brainwashed PC zombies but pain does work. My sixth grade teacher paddled hard enough to lift your rear-end off the ground. Oh man did it sting! And I got it several times. It wasn't abuse. I wasn't bruised. And in 20 minutes or so, the stinging would be gone. But I was sure enough almost in tears. Humiliation also works. In that same sixth grade class was a girl I absolutely hated. We were always bickering in class and this same teacher made us stand in front of the entire class, near his desk, for an hour and hold hands. Holy crap, how humiliating that was! She went on to become one of the hottest chicks in high school and of course that day in sixth grade was something I never let her live down.

The point is, that same sixth grade teacher humiliated me, paddled my rear-end, assigned me extra work... whatever it took. When I got to the seventh grade, I was no longer a punk. And you can bet that I sure showed my teachers some respect! Not only did I respect those teachers, but I had gained a world of respect for my sixth grade teacher as well. Not only that, but I didn't learn to hate school work because of the extra assignments, I didn't take it upon myself to beat someone up because I disagreed with them, and my social skills continued to develop just fine despite the humiliation.

Guess some of the PC crowd ain't so right after all.

[bob d]

what happened to school discipline? that is the title of this thread . well the real title of this thread should be what happened to parental involment. when you have kids that have gotten no discipline from birth from their own parents ,HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO INSTILL ANY DISCIPLINE IN THEM .

alot of parents today don't know what the hell their kids are doing , saying , or who they are with .come on stop the insanity teach your kids and stop blaming others

[Christine B]

Bob d......I do not think that I have this totally wrong . Please expound if you care too as to how some parents do not take of things at home? No, wait.....just start another thread. That would be the best thing....you want to center the issue on the parents. I see although very important, and most do what needs to be done at home hopefully..... The ultimate result is that the two clash.....JMHO though and we all know what those are like.
I have from day 1 taught my son respect, compassion, among other things. And as a single mom done quite well!! Parents may be awry at times but it is the Public School systems that still leave much to desire.