Anyone besides me think this is a 21st century version of the Crusades ?
No. Not when Yemen is killing Al-QAeda figures..Algeria killed a Al-Qaeda big wig.. Jordan is going after Al-Qaeda and Saudia Arabia is maybe going to purge itself of terrorists.
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No! This is not the crusades! It is a tthe war on terrorism!
Dispite what the talking heads in the media have to say, we are winning, and we are safer because of this!
Will terrorist's strike again? Unfortunatly, yes! They are however, in retreat.
We have taken out Saddam, Lybia is more cooperative, Osama, and Al-Queida, are on the run!
It has been said "the best offense, is a strong defense!"
In the world of terrorism, the exact opposite is true! Our best defense, is a strong offense! It keeps terrorism off balance, and on the run!
We are acomplishing good things, in spite of what the liberal media has to say!
We may not make the world a democratic society, we may not even do it in Iraq!
We are giving them a chance, they would never have had before though! And we are also sending a message that terrorism will not be tolerated!
I think that we would be much further ahead in this war on terror, if the liberal media was FOR us, NOT AGAINST US!
The war on terrorism may never be totally over, or won completely! The consequences for failing to meet terror head-on though, would be devastating!
To pull out now, or change our philosophy on terrorism now, will not appease the terrorists! It may quiet them down for a short period of time, while they recoup, and rebuild, allow us to fall back asleep, and then strike again! Probably much harder!
Please do not be deceived by the lies of the liberals!
We ARE doing good, we ARE winning, and to take things even a step farther, our economy IS getting better!
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I hope this war on terror is nothing like the crusades of old, which were one of the most horrible misdeeds of mankind..they weren't wars fought for the glory of Christianity, the were just a bloody mess.
Christians thrashing out Constantinopel, a Christian city....Boys from all over Europe sold into Arab slavery by church officials...Jerusalem, Haifa and other cities risen to the ground all inhabitants butchered in the name of Jesus...all inhabitants, Muslim, Christian and Jewish...these so called soldiers of Christ didn't care about truth or had a just cause (Oh, surely many of the ordinary footfolk had good intent) they just wanted to kill and plunder and gain power over "the Holy Land" so they could control the holiest places of Christianity...and collect taxes. Something the Muslim rulers of Jerusalem had never done out of sheer respect for the Pilgrims and because of the fact that Muslims view Jesus as one of their most important prophets..
Christians killing christians, and most everybody they could find...kill them all and let God sort them out. Crusades against the Cathars in the south of France, entire cities waisted.
To this day Arabs tell stories of horror about the crusades, and rightfully so.
"Christians" didn't showed their best side then, to put it mildly. Realy, compared to "Heroes of the crusades" like Richard coeur de Lion, al-quaida is made up out of a bunch of amateurs, when it comes to the "art" of commiting mass murder.
Crusade isn't the right word for a just war of defence in my view. Moreover, the west isn't fighting against Islam, it is fighting terrorism. There are more than a few Muslims who are condemning the terror just as fiercely as westeners do, and more than once, they are the first target of opportunity! Ever notice that most casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq are Afghani and Iraqi? Muslims die alongside Christians, Jews and any others at the hands of terrorists..
I would rather call this a war of defence, the defence of good willing humans against complete barbarians. And I don't care what religion or nationality these barbarians have.
A terror free world should be the goal, and killing terrorists is the way to do it. Commiting genocide against one race, religions or just any possible target, like the crusaders of old did, is not going to solve anything but create more missery.
Just for the purpose of clearification, The Arab Muslims did not conquer Iraq until about 637AD. Just proir to that it was primarily Christian and Jewish (about 400 years) and before that there were the Greeks and the Romans and before that, I'd have to look up. Either way it hasn't been under one religion nor one form of control for any 6000 years.
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and how can you expect to make a country democratic in one year that has had a singal ruler for the past 6000 years ?
I just had this conversation with someone today. We are not there to do anythng but protect ourselves from terrorism. Not just for the short term but for the long run. That is the primary reason for creation a democratic style government there at this time. Hopefully it will last long enough to curtial the present terrorist activities.
Our childrens children will be dealing with this type of thing and so will theirs unfortunately.
Always remember to embrace diversity, it prepares you for the battle in which to defeat them.
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Actually, the country known as Iraq today isn't as old as you might think, it is made up of some very old countries mind you! Parts of old empires and kingdoms like Babylon, Assyria, and so on..a large part of what is presently Iraq was a part of Persia in antiquity.
Before the conquest of Alexander the Great, or Iskander, The entire region was united in the Greater Persian Empire, with its capitol Persopolis. This empire had a great multitude of peoples and religions within its borders but the "official" state-religion were the teachings of Zaratustra, the earliest known mono-theist religion and it predates Judaism by at least 1000 years. Much is known about this religion because some Zaratustrans are still practicing this religion today, even in Iran!
After Alexanders death the rule of the Persian empire came into the hands of sucsessive Macedonian and Greek rulers, with these making way to Roman rule in the period up to 736 AD, when it ceased to be a part of the eastern Roman empire. With the rule of the Muslim Kalifs Christianity didn't disappear, but remained a very important part of the region, only when the Ottoman empire took over in the 15th century did Christinanity suffer from state sponsered measures against it.
Iraq only became a country after the Turks were kicked out by the combined forces of the Arab desert army and commonwealth troops under the combined command of King Faisal of the house of Saud and the British/Aussie/Kiwi Command.
Only then were some attempts of some sort of democratic rule made, but they failed, mainly because of interferance of western (UK and French) powers..who weren't at all interested in a united Arabian constitutional monarchy...
some issues of the present are the concequence of our ancestors mistakes....but the matter is way more complex than both Arab and wstern populists claim...
Truth of the matter is more likely that "Arabs" are more diverse than they'd like to admit themselves, and we westeners understand next to nothing of their culture and past nor present. Perhaps the answer lies in an honest attempt of mutual understanding rather than bombing each other to kingdom come and back again.
Some Arab states are democracies or are trying to find their version of it, sometimes with, sometimes without help from the west. Democracy didn't come to the west in one year as well, lets not forget that. All in all, decades of wars of liberation, civil wars and revolutions was what it took to establish rule of the people in the west..don't expect others to do it differently...we are all humans with the same human faults and carracteristics...we tend to find very simular sollutions in the end, regardless of culture and religion.
The'll get there, one day
But yes, I fear slugman is right, probably not in a year
There are a number of conflicts going on around the world involving muslims. Many of them are muslim vs. muslim and are no less bloody than those involving muslim vs. christian or muslim vs. hindu or muslim vs. whatever. The common theme is that it is invariably muslim fundamentalist against somebody. If there is a crusade here it is muslims crusading against the rest of the world. One of those involved in the beheading of the Korean national said it outright a day or two ago. This is a war for muslim dominance of the world. One world under muslim sharia law and they wont be satisfied until they have gained that. The appeasers of the world may believe that to be O.K. anything better than armed conflict. Personally I find it repugnant to say the least. Somebody had mentioned on another thread, 50,000 terrorist 1 billinon muslims in the world, you do the math. I say 1 billion muslims in the world, 5 billion non-muslims in the world, now try your math again.
Actually I've read plenty of posts that plainly state we need to do away with the Muslim religion.Here's a few qoutes from memebers on this board. I've read the same on several different boards.
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I am ready for a jihad. I would gladly do my part to destroy the Islam religion.
You horrific bastard .... I'm with you all the way
How many tons can a B-52 carry? Load everything that flies up and bomb the pi** outta Mecca is my first choice. Get a few million of them.
Let's form a Coalition of the Sick and Tired to wipe out the Muslims. Make them like the dinosaurs. gone. extinct.
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