TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The state's top civil rights official has ruled that taverns cannot offer discounts to women on "ladies nights," agreeing with a man who claimed such gender-based promotions discriminated against men.
David R. Gillespie said it was not fair for women to get into the Coastline nightclub for free and receive discounted drinks while men paid a $5 cover charge and full price for drinks.
In his ruling Tuesday, J. Frank Vespa-Papaleo, director of the state Division on Civil Rights, rejected arguments by the nightclub that ladies nights were a legitimate promotion. Commercial interests do not override the "important social policy objective of eradicating discrimination," he ruled.
Gov. James E. McGreevey criticized the decision, calling it "bureaucratic nonsense."
"It is an overreaction that reflects a complete lack of common sense and good judgment," McGreevey said in a statement.
The governor does not have the authority directly rescind the ruling. But he met with state Attorney General Peter C. Harvey on Wednesday, telling him that the civil rights division had better things to do with its time, said Micah Rasmussen, a spokesman for McGreevey.
A spokesman for Harvey did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
The ruling specifically addressed the weekly ladies nights at the Coastline in Cherry Hill, but it carries the force of a court decision and applies statewide. Vespa-Papaleo said state officials would write formal rules after a public hearing.
The restaurant's attorney, Colleen Ready, did not immediately return a telephone message left Wednesday by The Associated Press.
Courts in other states have issued divergent opinions on such promotions.
Judges in Pennsylvania and Iowa have said similar events are illegal, but courts in Illinois and Washington state have said that ladies nights are permissible because they do not discriminate against men but rather encourage women to attend.
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This guy must be a fricken flamer, because no normal male would complain about a promotion designed to pack a social location full of (eligable) women. Ladies Night's benefit the men who attend as much as the women...
What the hell is wrong with people like this, and why do the courts think that this guy speaks for the rest of us?
Unfortunately, people like this guy just can't understand that they'd be doing the rest of society a far better service by killing themselves rather than suing on our "behalf."
This country is on the shortcut to hell...with people like this at the wheel.
Well, I thought the "fricken flamer" was clear enough...but if you'd like I could edit it to "pillow biter" or "turd pirate" if you like...for clarity of course![8D]
I mean, come on people! A bar packed wall to wall with women, and being an outnumbered man, is only a bad thing if you're ***** or married...and no married man should begrudge his fellow single guys the opportunity to hook up in such a "target rich environment!" To do so just isn't right...it's a matter of principle (and loyalty)!
I've got $5 that says that if the bar in question had "mens night" instead of "ladies night," this retard wouldn't have sued in the first place.
Wow we've just found a guy who goes home alone...ALOT!
I wonder if hookers turn him down?[&:]
Oh, and anyone tell me why in the *&($ is the government involved in something like this? Where is that in any part of our founding documents that the government is to be involved in such matters?Or in that case half of all amtters that they see to now anyway?
We should sue this NUMBNUT for wasteful use of taxpayer money
First let me assure you all that I am not a pillow biter, butt pirate, flamer or anything else having to do with homosexuality.
Now that that's taken care of............ Although I would never sue any one over it or deny my buddies such a "target rich environment" why the heck should Suzie get to go to a different club each night of the week for free and then have free drinks at every establishment but Johnny has to fork out a good $100.00 or more each time he goes out during the week?
Businesses can not descriminate against, race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, so on and so on. What if it were white folks night or black folks night? Same exact thing as ladies night. It's descrimination plane and simple. Good descrimination or not it's still descrimination.
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The guys who brought this about should be identified and have their mugs posted up in every bar, so oter patrons can beat them with axe handles when they show their face in a tavern or club again.[:@]
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Now that that's taken care of............ Although I would never sue any one over it or deny my buddies such a "target rich environment" why the heck should Suzie get to go to a different club each night of the week for free and then have free drinks at every establishment but Johnny has to fork out a good $100.00 or more each time he goes out during the week?
Well, very simple. ladies night attracts ladies. When you are single, thats the place you want to go if you are a guy- instead of some sausage filled bar.
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How is it discriminatory. They're not singling out men to exclude them. They're just encouraging women to go. Plus, as the people that believe they should be able to curse on the radio and TV argue, go somewhere else. This WOULD be the same as senior citizen discounts or "kids stay free" promotions. How about baseball caps at a Phillies game for mothers on Mother's Day? You're not telling all non-mothers that they aren't allowing them in the park. You're saying that "we want you here, and to show it, here's a cheap-azz baseball cap. This guy's a loser. He needs to sue to get a life.
This guy must be a fricken flamer, because no normal male would complain about a promotion designed to pack a social location full of (eligable) women. Ladies Night's benefit the men who attend as much as the women...
Businesses can not descriminate against, race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, so on and so on. What if it were white folks night or black folks night? Same exact thing as ladies night. It's descrimination plane and simple. Good descrimination or not it's still descrimination.
Listen, I am almost sympathetic to your argument, but this is a private business. Bars are not refusing to serve men, they're simply running a weekly promotion to attract new business and make some men happy (it's not even a standard day-by-day policy). Not every bar has a lady's night, so this guy needs to shop around.
What's next? Senior citizen discounts?
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