Your opinion of Ret. Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni?

Rem. 222 · 05-30-2004, 05:16 PM

I watched him on a news program today. He was very critical of the bush administrations policy concerning Iraq. He stated he supported bush for president in 2000, but didn't say if he was supporting him this election. Also he has a new book out co-authored by Tom Clancy. Anyone read it?

Rem. 222

soarkrebel · 05-30-2004, 05:31 PM

Who is he and what does his opinion matter??

siggy2001 · 05-30-2004, 05:56 PM

Funny,

Most of the people I know who did actually vote for W in 2000 have stated they can't "in good conscience" vote for him again.

THis seems to say the lesser of 2 evils is at play here. What I find particularly interesting is the number of them that are lifelong GOP Members.

John Kerry gave a speach in Green Bay, WI on Friday. He was introduced by a REPUBLICAN Mayor of a neighboring town. The mayor said he was not going to vote republican this time around BECAUSE of W.

The issue is most intriguing. THere haven't been any scandals like that of the Clinton Administration, which seemed to send people away from Gore. Come to think of it, I haven't seen anything of significance against W on any of the major media outlets.

Are the accusations of an administration pressure to keep things under wraps under the guise of the Patriot Act? (Which, incidently gives John Ashcroft and any of his neocons the right to detain you if, say, you proclaim the right to bear arms)

Common sense has been replaced by Texas horse sense. Last time I checked, horses have a tough time negotiating deals or getting out of a barn during a fire.

strut · 05-30-2004, 06:54 PM

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Most of the people I know who did actually vote for W in 2000 have stated they can't "in good conscience" vote for him again.

Hummm must be a difference in the geography, I have'nt had one person tell me that.
Kerry is a fake and waffler, he himself don't know what he stands for and is the last thing we need at this point of America's life.

logs · 05-30-2004, 07:21 PM

Just about anybody and everybody is trying to sell their books these days. It is interesting how easy it is to attack someone who does things rather than someone who talks about doing things, Bush vs kerry.

Just about everybody I know who voted for Bush in 2000 will vote for him in 2004. I have yet to meet anyone who is willing to say face to face they respect kerry much less will vote for him. And I live in Milwaukee, the 2nd capital of liberal democrats. Madison is much worst and Greenbay not to far behind. Heck the last mayors race was between two liberal democrates and the most liberal one won. Yet Bush only lost the state by 6000 votes in 2000. That is with the democrats going to the recuse mission and giving money and cigs to the down and out to get them to register and vote for gore.

If this guy is trying to sell his book Im sure he'll say what needs to be said to get the sales up. Can't blame they guy, it's natural and everybody is doing it. Well everybody except thoses with morals

Rem. 222 · 05-31-2004, 07:15 AM

Logs,
Off the subject of Zinni, I know of at least four hardcore GOPers who aren't voting for bush. They can't bring themselves to vote for Kerry most are leaning toward Aaron Russo.
Much more bad news for bush and he's not going to have a chance at re-election.
I read this morning that Ken Mehlman has been outed, this is going to hurt bush with the fundie vote. Nothing like your campaign manager being GAY when your trying to keep your base intact.

Rem. 222

strut · 05-31-2004, 07:33 AM

Yeah and I know of several democrats thats not going to support kerry either and one of them just happens to be a senator from Ga.

Bush will win big, there will be no reason for re-counts this year.

logs · 05-31-2004, 09:03 AM

Rem, I don't doubt a word You are saying. My point was for siggy. Being, it all depends on who you talk to, their degree of commitment and their view on all the aspects of the issues.
My biggest priority is National security and I beleive Bush is taking the correct path. Follow that with the economy and agiant the picture is brighter. As far as some guy trying to sell a book or having some homosexual on your staff, those are minor issues.

There are a lot of homosexuals out there. I don't approve of their life style choice but if they are in a position and doing a good jpb, their sexual perferrence should not be an issue in most cases. In positons where they can influence children or control actions related to sexual preferences, then I have a problem.

So I don't see either one as a issue for me. Most of the people I deal with tend to think along the same lines. That's my point.

eldeguello · 05-31-2004, 10:02 AM

My opinion of General Zinni is that he, like all military officers, took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the U.S. against ALL ENEMIES, foreign and domestic. Belief in this obligation to the Constitution is what sets him apart from careerists like Oliver North, many of whom appear to believe they owe their allegiance to an individual, such as the President, even if he/she is wrong!

Now, while you wear the uniform, you must obey the orders of those appointed over you, no matter how poorly their decision-making process works. In addition, you are obliged to keep your mouth shut about political decisions, until the day comes when you resign or retire, after which you are a private citizen with the same freedom to express your personal opinion as the guy next door, who never wore a uniform at all.

The only reason one has to think that Zinni's opinion could be correct is that he once had access to a lot of valid information about military affairs, as well as years of pretty expensive training in such matters as to render his opinion a little more pertinent than that of the rest of us. GEN Zinni believes he has a continuing obligation under the oath he took, to speak the truth AS HE SEES IT! I applaud him for this, and hope he is wrong, and that President Bush, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld are right!! I suspect it will be 50 years or so from today before the world will know the final outcome of all this, more's the pity!!

BenGarrett · 05-31-2004, 10:05 AM

I guess things are different in Milwaukee than they are down here south of the Mason-Dixon line, siggy. I haven't heard a single person say that they voted for President Bush in 2000 but won't vote for him in 2004. On the other hand, I have heard many die-hard Democrats say that they don't want to vote for Kerry.