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Old 05-19-2004, 12:02 PM   #1
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It seems very suspicious to me that the wedding party was going on at 3:00 in the morning in a remote desert location near Syria and that some Iraqi's still shoot guns into the air despite the obvious risks of doing so. I have seen before where the Iraqi's have claimed that when we attacked mosques, it was when people were congregating to pray, etc. so this might be another spin on a legitimate attack, I don't know. Anyway...



U.S. Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at Party


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May 19, 1:24 PM (ET)

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A U.S. helicopter fired on a wedding party early Wednesday in western Iraq, killing more than 40 people, Iraqi officials said. The U.S. military said it could not confirm the report and was investigating.

Lt. Col Ziyad al-Jbouri, deputy police chief of the city of Ramadi, said between 42 and 45 people died in the attack, which took place about 2:45 a.m. in a remote desert area near the border with Syria and Jordan. He said those killed included 15 children and 10 women.

Dr. Salah al-Ani, who works at a hospital in Ramadi, put the death toll at 45.

Associated Press Television News obtained videotape showing a truck containing bodies of those allegedly killed.

About a dozen bodies, one without a head, could be clearly seen. but it appeared that bodies were piled on top of each other and a clear count was not possible.

Iraqis interviewed on the videotape said partygoers had fired into the air in a traditional wedding celebration. American troops have sometimes mistaken celebratory gunfire for hostile fire.

"I cannot comment on this because we have not received any reports from our units that this has happened nor that any were involved in such a tragedy," Lt. Col. Dan Williams, a U.S. military spokesman, wrote in an e-mail in response to a question from The Associated Press.

"We take all these requests seriously and we have forwarded this inquiry to the Joint Operations Center for further review and any other information that may be available," Williams said.

The video footage showed mourners with shovels digging graves. A group of men crouched and wept around one coffin.

Al-Ani said people at the wedding fired weapons in the air, and that American troops came to investigate and left. However, al-Ani said, helicopters attacked the area at about 3 a.m. Two houses were destroyed, he said.

U.S. troops took the bodies and the wounded in a truck to Rutba hospital, he said.

"This was a wedding and the (U.S.) planes came and attacked the people at a house. Is this the democracy and freedom that (President) Bush has brought us?" said a man on the videotape, Dahham Harraj. "There was no reason."

Another man shown on the tape, who refused to give his name, said the victims were at a wedding party "and the U.S. military planes came... and started killing everyone in the house."

In July 2002, Afghan officials said 48 civilians at a wedding party were killed and 117 wounded by a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan's Uruzgan province. An investigative report released by the U.S. Central Command said the airstrike was justified because American planes had come under fire.
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Old 05-19-2004, 03:29 PM   #2
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if my recollection hasn't failed me it's not the least bit unusual for an Arab wedding party to go on 24 hours for days . The only limiting factor is how much money the host can spend . Firing guns into the air as part of the celebration is also a long standing tradition . Back when guns and bullets were very expensive such "extravagance" was considered a way of honoring the happy couple . The term honeymoon stems from an ancient Arab tradition that held that the father of the bride had to supply the groom with as much mead(a honey based drink) as he could drink for the first month of their marriage . From new moon to new moon , hence "honeymoon" .

This incident wouldn't be the first time that our troops have accidentally fired on a wedding party firing guns in the air from what I recall . I seem to remember a similar incident just last year . As jumpy as they are I can't blame them a bit , but this is really gonna hit the fan before it's over if it is true .
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The A-rabs should know enough by now not to go shooting off guns in the desert at 3 in the f-ing morning. i could care less if if it was 40 or 40,000; after what they did to nick berg they deserve it.

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Old 05-19-2004, 07:50 PM   #4
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Just another PR nightmare after another. Who knows for sure but the perception is obviously negative. Guess it's too late to send some steak knives? That was in poor taste I apoligize.
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Old 05-20-2004, 12:08 AM   #5
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Ak-47 fire tends to draw attention in a warzone, none of it good.
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Old 05-20-2004, 01:02 AM   #6
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This falls right along the lines of WELL DUUUUUHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What would one expect firing off 40 guns in the middle of a war zone? I'm sure it will be the U.S. militaries fault some how and the U.S. media networks will be leading the charge to condemn our military.[:'(][:@]
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I personally favor an AC-130 Gunship hosing down some of the funerals they have, take out some more Al-Quada (sp) and a few of the Al Jazeera press that follow them around like puppy dogs as well.
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It looks like maybe the Iraqis weren't being completely honest about that 'wedding':

[link]http://www.news4jax.com/news/3323330/detail.html[/link]
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if my recollection hasn't failed me it's not the least bit unusual for an Arab wedding party to go on 24 hours for days . The only limiting factor is how much money the host can spend . Firing guns into the air as part of the celebration is also a long standing tradition . Back when guns and bullets were very expensive such "extravagance" was considered a way of honoring the happy couple . The term honeymoon stems from an ancient Arab tradition that held that the father of the bride had to supply the groom with as much mead(a honey based drink) as he could drink for the first month of their marriage . From new moon to new moon , hence "honeymoon" .

Yep and when US troops went to the area they were fired on and found a large cache of Satellite communication devices, US dollars and lots of passports from different countries. HMMMMMM
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I think it was not just a wedding....a cover is what is likely was.
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