Masonry, Masonic Lodges and Religion?

[FroMan]

Hey all,

I was talking about this with my girlfriend tonight and was wondering if yall could help. What exactly is this "society." I've always been under the assumption that this is more of a cult than anything else, and that it is extremely secretive.

Do they claim to be Christian? What do they do? Just looking to find out about it some...and to see what yall think about Masons, and the whole free-masonry deal. Thanks.

[kevin1]

The Freemasons were actually a sort of secret society in their early days , with all that "secret handshake" nonsense and other cult trappings . They were universally distrusted and held up as being akin to the Illuminati and other One World Order cults , although they have been historically successful at attracting powerful people such as national leaders . The Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations are viewed in much the same light today since they have powerful members and secretive ways .

Today they are little more than a social club , similar to your local Moose Lodge . As far as you know ...

[logs]

If you would like to know about the history of FAM, just go to the library or look it up. Anything you want to know is totally public. They are no Booggie men out there unless You want to scare some one. All upright and honest men are welcome to learn about Masonry.

http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Masonry/

In general FAM are a faternal order of men who believe in a deity and work toward the betterment of man. They are a charitable group and share, have tenets, a belief in strong morals valves and good works.

Kevin, are you a traveling man?

[Ezzy333]

Kevin,

Tell us about the Tri-lateral Commission. This one of the oldest myths in existance and you can't find much about where it started. We all need to know about these things so we can make intelligent decissions when we are asked to join.

Ezzy

[burniegoeasily]

In general FAM are a faternal order of men who believe in a deity and work toward the betterment of man.

Bingo. It is very Christian based, depending on the area. Where I live it is very Christian based.

[aunsaber]

I have been many places looking for info on the Masons, NOT SPECULATION, it doesn't exist in this area. Not in the Libraries or anywhere else.
As far as the people I know that belong to the Masons having high moral values, virtually non-existant.
They do good work with the childrens hospitals and participate in parades, what else.
When my son was recruited he was told that you advance through the Order by how successful you are and how much you donate.
He dropped out in less than a year.(Not because he is not successful)
The last time they perfomed at a local parade they all got of the bus with a beer in their hands, one even fell off the bus he was so drunk.
Real good example for young people.

[logs]

aunsaber, I guess you never saw drunks at a church picnic or have heard of a particular church where people have not actually followed the true faith of God. There are exception and violations of rules and trust in all groups and organizations. Further people who do not understand those groups find it easier to criticize them or spread half truth than learn the facts.

I provided a link above. If you want to learn more visit it. If you want to remain ignorant and spread gossip continue on your current course. It will serve you well in the end Im sure.
I'd also have someone either show you around the library or expand your libraries collection because if they don't have books on Masonry they are missing a major part of American history and world history.

Tell your son, the Masons do not recruit unless someone approaches them and ask first about their good works. There are many good men seeking knowledge and good works who want to join, rich and poor. They are all accepted if they can demonstrate that they are interested in improving themselves and helping others. Anything other than that is simply not true. Money is not a factor and many have their dues paid for by the Lodge.

I hope you take the time to better inform yourself and speak with your son. Ignorance is an ugly thing and can destroy people.

[Sixby]

If Logs were to tell you all he knows he would have to kill ya. He took a blood oath not to reveal the secrest of the organiztion. That is all I can tell ya or I'll have to kill ya. Ex DeMolay Officer. You really don't want to know the truth because you aren ready for the truth. The rumors aren't rumors and the Skull and Bones is real and so are the black helicopters. When you stare a .50 in the face out of one of them you become a believer. This happened to me at Area 51 which also is not a figment of the imagination.

[fng]

Logs is only partially correct. The origin of the "free masons" is in a group called the "illuminati" which were presented in this country by a german socialist professor.

the Illuminati were a VERY secret society with tons of rituals etc.

the Roman Catholic church were the first to condemn their practices and forbade any catholic from joining their ranks (they were actually becoming very mafia like in their ways).

The RCC then to counter the Illuminati's "free masons" , started the "knights of columbus".....

[fng]

"Masonry makes no profession of Christianity.. but looks forward to the time when the labor of our ancient brethren shall be symbolized by the erection of a spiritual temple.. in which there shall be but one altar and one worship; one common altar of Masonry on which the Veda, Shatra, Sade, Zeda-Avesta, Koran and the Holy Bible shall at who's shrine the Hindu, the Persian, the Assyrian, the Chaldean, the Egyptian, the Chinese, the Mohammedan, the Jew and the Christian may kneel."
[ "The Kentucky Monitor" Fellowcraft Degree p. 95 ]

".... the literal meaning (of the Bible) is for the vulgar only."
[Albert Pike "Digest of Morals and Dogma," p. 166 ]

"What is True to the philosopher, would not be truth, nor have the effect of truth, to the peasant. The religion of many must necessarily be more incorrect than that of the refined and reflected few.. The truest religion would in many points , not be comprehended by the ignorant.. The doctrines of the Bible are often not clothed in the language of strict truth, but in that which was fittest to convey to a rude and ignorant people.. the doctrine."
[ Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma," 14th Degree, p. 224 ]

Appendant bodies of Freemasonry: the Scottish Rite, York Rite, Eastern Star, Order of DeMolay, Rainbow for Girls and Shrine.


"The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahweh reversed; for Satan is not a black god.. for the initiates this is not a Person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of liberty and free will."
[ Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma," Master Mason / 3rd Degree p. 102 ]

"Masonry is a search for light. That light. That search leads us back, as you see, to the Kabala. In that ancient and little understood (source book) the infinite will find the source of many doctrines; and (he) may in time come to understand the Hermetic philosophers, the Alchemists, all the Anti-papal Thinkers of the Middle Ages, and Emanuel Swedenborg."
[ Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma," 28th Degree p. 741 ]

"All truly dogmatic religions have issued from the Kabala and return to it; everything scientific and grand in the religious dreams of the Illuminati, Jacob Boeheme, Swedenborg, Saint Martin, and others is borrowed from the Kabala; all Masonic associations owe to it their secrets and their symbols."
[ Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma," 28th Degree p. 747 ]

"Though Masonry is identical with the ancient Mysteries, it is so only in this qualified sense: that it presents but an imperfect image of their brilliancy, the ruins of their grandeur .."
[ Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma Fellowcraft Degree p.22 ]

"Masonry, successor to the Mysteries (Babel, Mythras, Tummuz, Whicka,etc.) still follows the ancient manor of teaching."
[ Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma Fellowcraft Degree p.22 ]

"These two divinities (Sun and Moon, Osiris and Isis, etc) were commonly symbolized by the generative parts of a man and a woman; to which in remote ages no idea of indecency was attached ; the Phallus (penis) and the Cteis (vagina), emblems of generation and production, and which, as such appeared in the Mysteries (I believe Masonry is the revival of these). The Indian Lingam was the union of both, as were the boat and mast and the point within the circle." (key Masonic symbols)
[ Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma," 24th Degree, p. 401 ]

"If your wife child, or friend should ask you anything about your invitation - as for instance, if your clothes were taken off, if you were blind folded, if you had a rope tied around you neck, etc, you must conceal.. hence of course you must deliberately lie about it. It is part of your obligation ..
" [ Ibid p. 74 ]

Question: "what makes you a Freemason ? Answer: My obligation."
[question and answer from the Entered Apprentice/First Degree]

".. binding myself under no less penalty that of having throat cut from ear to ear, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea, a cable length from the shore where the tide.."
[ from the oath of obligation Entered Apprentice/First Degree ]

".. binding myself under no less penalty than having my left Breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and given to the beasts of the field and fowls of the air as prey."
[from the oath of obligation , Fellowcraft/Second Degree]

".. binding myself under no less penalty that of having my body severed in twain, my bowels taken out and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered to the four winds of heaven.."
[ from the oath of obligation, Master Mason / Third Degree ]

" .. in willful violation whereof may I incur the fearful penalty of having my eyeballs pierced to thru center with a three edged blade, my feet flayed and forced to walk the hot sands upon the sterile shores of the red sea until the flaming Sun shall strike with a livid plague, and my Allah the god of Arab, Moslem and Mohammedan, the god of our fathers, support me to the entire fulfillment of the same."
[ from the oath of obligation, Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine ] ("Shriners")

"You must conceal all the crimes of your brother Masons... and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him.. It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but your keeping your obligations."
[ Ronayne, "Handbook of Masonry" p. 183 ]

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirit will from that moment be without a compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the pure light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
-Albert Pike, on a plan for world conquest, written in a letter to Mazzini dated August 15, 1871.

"..Thirty-third degree Freemason Albert Pike (1809-1891), the man destined to develop the Luciferian Doctrine for the Masonic hierarchy, could not accept the Lucifer and Satan were the same personality. While teaching his beliefs to a select few in the Supreme Council, Pike became the most powerful Mason in the world. Although an obscure general in the Confederate Army during the American Civil War, he was hardly inconspicuous in Freemasonry. From 1859 until his death in 1891, Pike occupied simultaneously the positions of Grand Master of the Central Directory at Washington, D.C., Grand Commander of the Supreme Council at Charleston, S.C., and Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry. He was an honorary member of almost every Supreme Council in the world, personally receiving 130 Masonic degrees. Pike also was one of the most physically and morally repulsive individuals in American history. Weighing well over three hundred pounds, his sexual proclivity was to sit naked astride a phallic throne in the woods, accompanied by a gang of prostitutes. To these orgies he would bring one or more wagon loads of food and liquor, most of which he would consume over a period of two days until he passed into a stupor. In his adopted state of Arkansas, Pike was well known as a practitioner of Satanism, Portraits of his later years show him wearing a symbol of the Baphomet around his neck."
-Scarlet and the Beast, John Daniel, vol 1

"Masonry gives rogues and evil-minded characters an opportunity of visiting upon their devoted victim, all the ills attending combined power, when exerted to accomplish destruction. It works unseen, at all silent hours, and secret times and places; and, like death when summoning his diseases, pounces upon its devoted subject, and lays him prostrate in the dust. Like the great enemy of man, it has shown its cloven foot, and put the public upon its guard against its secret machinations."
-CAPT. WM. MORGAN'S ILLUSTRATIONS OF MASONRY, 1827.

"Membership of secret societies such as freemasonry can raise suspicions of a lack of impartiality or objectivity. It is therefore important the public know the facts. I think it is the case that the freemasons said they are not a secret society but a society with secrets. I think it is widely accepted that one secret they should not be keeping is who their members are in the criminal justice system."
- Home Secretary Jack Straw, 1997 Home Affairs Committee England

"It is generally agreed that the biggest single influence in the modern expansion of ritual magic, and the occult explosion in general, in the Western world, was the Golden Dawn. This magical fraternity, founded by Freemasons at the end of the 19th century, developed a complex ritual system with ten degrees of initiation relating to the Cabalistic Sephiroth." (World renown witches, Janet and Stewart Farrar, authors of A Witches Bible Compleat)
- Janet and Stewart Farrar, The Life and Times of A Modern Witch, Phoenix Publishing Company, p. 121.