Some friends of mine on another post brought up this topic. It is more of a liberal forum and I thought I would post it on a more consertaive forum.
Iraq has had open private ownership of firearms under Sadam Hussein. Sadamm even stated that" guns are the jewelry of men". Iraq has a " gun culture" and had one long before " Iraqi Freedom". Sadam is a tyrant but he never made an effort to disarm its population. He rightly assumed everyone is armed--friend and foe. If you have followed the news you know that USA troops have actively been trying to disarm Iraqi citizens and have collected at least a 100 k firearms- a small dent in say 50 million.
Some believe the amount of privatly owned firearms is thereason we are having such a hard time in Iraq. What are your thoughts?
Sure this is a reason we've had a hard time controlling the situation over there. This should be a clear cut message to the American people why our 2nd Amendment Right is so important. If we would like to continue to speak English and be able to protect ALL of our Bill of Rights and our women should really take note seeing how the Arab's suppress their women. I've said this before and I'll say it again, the ONLY reason another country hasn't attempted an all out invasion on the US is our second amendment right.
Should we be concerned that winning in Iraq and overcoming the odds with the gun waving rag heads is going to send a message to our other enemies that it can be done? No, I don't think so. What we should be concerned with is what is taking place and that's a take over from within especially when the minds of Americans are being turned against America.
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I can see the logic behind trying to disarm Iraq, but I don't agree with it.
We as American's stand firmly behind our "right to bear arms." I think that it's every persons right to own firearms for personal protection, fun and games, whatever.
If they're gonna kill us they're gonna get their hands on a weapon, if they aren't gonna kill us, and we take their guns away, we're saying, ah...fend for yourself some other way.
Once the country is established and under a bit more control...they better retain their right to bear arms, or the US is the biggest hypocrite ever...
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Sure ol' Saddam allowed you to own any gun, bomb, or rocket launcher that pleases you as long as you were a member of the Baath party. If you weren't a member of his club, forget about it.
Good reason to disarm Iraqis- prety much only the bad guys have guns in Iraq.
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Good reason to disarm Iraqis- prety much only the bad guys have guns in Iraq.
There you have it...what half of the United State's probably already believes...what liberals would have you believe about our own country. That's why we might have to fight for the right with blood, sweat, and tears somewhere down the road...
I'm sure there are good honest people in Iraq, getting deprived a basic right. They have nothing to defend themselves "against" the "bad guys" now either...
Hung em out to dry basically.
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"Error never shows itself in its naked reality in order not to be discovered. On the contrary, it dresses elegantly, so that the unwary may be led to believe that it is more truthful than truth itself."
-Irenaeus of Lyon
There you have it...what half of the United State's probably already believes...what liberals would have you believe about our own country. That's why we might have to fight for the right with blood, sweat, and tears somewhere down the road...
I'm sure there are good honest people in Iraq, getting deprived a basic right. They have nothing to defend themselves "against" the "bad guys" now either...
Hung em out to dry basically.
Froman- except in the case with Iraq, its true. Go back and read my post.
We aren't worried about civil rights in Iraq right now- its a war zone, a police state.
1. Get rid of all of the bad guys, the only way to do this is to capture, kill, or disarm them.
2. set up a new government in Iraq- can't be done without #1 happening first.
3. Turn the government over to the people.
4. if the people of Iraq decide to have something akin to our 2nd amendment, more power to them.
To compare the civil rights of iraqi Baathists or Al Queda to those of Americans outside of the warzone is absurd.
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I think or at least hope that we're onlt trying to disarm them temporarily, to help our troops from harm. I beleive shortly after the major conflict stop I saw astory on this.
THe left's problem with trying to show that us gun owners are equal to Saddam is again a peice of BS spin where they left out part of the story.
Saddam didn't let anyone own Ammo[] HE had his men hand out AK's to the counrtymen to "fight against the infedel" TO show us on camera that they were united against us, but they didn't give Ammo.
If I was an Iraqi and living in Iraq, I would want alot of weapons to protect myself and my family in that hell hole. And, just like I would do over here, I'd fight to my death to keep those weapons.
A friend of mine was in the army during the Panama invasion. While searching a home, he was ordered to take an ancient double barrell shotgun from a panamanian family man and gun owner. He at first refused to do it, when he was told he would be court martialed if he didn't, he took the shotgun. He then returned it to the owner the next day. The shotgun had been in the family for several generations. The Lt. that ordered my friend to take the weapon found out what he did and sent people back to the home to get the shotgun but the man had hidden it. My friend was not court martialed but did receive some kind of punishment. I always admired him for what he did.
If I was an Iraqi and living in Iraq, I would want alot of weapons to protect myself and my family in that hell hole. And, just like I would do over here, I'd fight to my death to keep those weapons.
I agree. If I lived in Iraq I would not want to give up my guns either. This is there only form of protection.
Considering that the right to keep and bear arms is an inalienable human right, I believe that Iraqis should have the same protection under the their Constitution as we do here in the US. Sure our enemies will be armed, but then again, they are already. The Iraqi people have family and property to defend just as we do. It's disgraceful to turn any nation into a society of victims.
Iraq and the Second Amendment
] HE had his men hand out AK's to the counrtymen to "fight against the infedel" TO show us on camera that they were united against us, but they didn't give Ammo.
