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Old 05-07-2004, 11:31 AM   #1
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Default Should Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld resign?

Yes, no, maybe?
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Old 05-07-2004, 11:34 AM   #2
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No. The calls for his resignation/removal are just politics as usual. He's been there since 9/11, and I think it makes sense to let him stay at the job. He had nothing to do with the prisoner abuse, so what good would it do? Punish the soldiers who actually did the abusing. Enough with the democrats' whining.
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Old 05-07-2004, 11:49 AM   #3
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No
I don't think he has done anything wrong over in Iraq.

When the military is used for what they are trained for (war of course) we are the best in the business. When we get into trying to be things that they aren't (police) then we don't do so well. I think it's to be expected that we take sum lumps over there just occupying to maintain peace.
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:01 PM   #4
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Acting as the Devils Advocate...... is this not doing anything wrong:
Just last week Rumsfeld's failure to warn the president that damning pictures from the prison were about to be aired was an embarrassing lapse that left Bush vulnerable -- embarrassing and inexcusable.
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:18 PM   #5
 
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Rumsfeld has been doing an outstanding job and NO he should not be fired.

I caught part of his testimony today and he has all the right answers. I like the way he uses his chain of command even thought some on the panal attempt to restrict his use of his staff.
The only part of this entire debauchal that he may have come up short on was talking to Bush about all the pictures. Im not real sure how much of the pictures Rumsfeld knew about and how far off guard he was on the pictures. On everything else, Bush and anyone who was paying attention could have known all about the mistreatment short of the photo info. That came very late in the current investigations.
They had a time line, Rumsfelds crew, of all the events and when, to whom and how they were made public and it made the critics on the panal look stupid, especially kennedy and aging old bobby byrd (he could hardly read his script, not because of his voice but because he is so feeble). They had prepared manuscripts and tried to ignore the facts. Rumsfeld, without looking like a smart arse made them look like total idiots.
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:19 PM   #6
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The hearing just concluded and even though I did not have the opportunity to view the entire process I certianly was fortunate enough to see how our fine Military leaders stack up agianst our political elected officials. There was no match.
For those of you who did not have that opportunity, if you do get the chance to view it on some replay, it is well worth the time.
Rumsfeld and his staff were well prepared, articulate and striaght forward with their answers and replies. They did not hesitate nor did they allow the panal to ask and anwer their own questions. They spoke up, at times cutting the person off and demanded the opportunity to answer the questions completely.
In addition, when a question was asked with a misleading twist, they pointed that fact out and correct the panalist.
I am so proud to have expanded and established my adult values and discplines based on my Military experience and service.
Thank God these are the leaders of our fine Military personnel. They are in good hands.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:19 PM   #8
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Logs said everything that I was going to say ,
good post Logs .

I can't honestly say that I'm crazy about what the military is for and does , but I am thankful that ours is the best around while they're necessary . I also agree with Logs that being in the military was a positive growing experience for me . I was a real mess before I joined , now other people can almost tolerate me .
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Old 05-07-2004, 04:14 PM   #9
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The hearing just concluded and even though I did not have the opportunity to view the entire process I certianly was fortunate enough to see how our fine Military leaders stack up agianst our political elected officials. There was no match.
For those of you who did not have that opportunity, if you do get the chance to view it on some replay, it is well worth the time.
Rumsfeld and his staff were well prepared, articulate and striaght forward with their answers and replies. They did not hesitate nor did they allow the panal to ask and anwer their own questions. They spoke up, at times cutting the person off and demanded the opportunity to answer the questions completely.
In addition, when a question was asked with a misleading twist, they pointed that fact out and correct the panalist.
I am so proud to have expanded and established my adult values and discplines based on my Military experience and service.
Thank God these are the leaders of our fine Military personnel. They are in good hands.
Amen.

This entire matter should have been handled internally. In fact, those that "leaked" the matter to the press and the press and the members of government that have sensationalized the entire event should be prosecuted. This is and was a military matter in time of war. If anyone thinks that the military somehow lacks the capacity to deal with such matters, then that person is completely unfamiliar with the crushing strength afforded by the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Should Rumsfeld resign? NO, I do not think he should resign. In fact, even I am amazed at how artfully the Democrats have and will to continue to politicized the matter.

I watched a portion of the Senate hearings that concluded at just past 2:30 EST and the behavior of some of the "panel" was nothing short of animated grandstanding, just as we saw in the so-called "9/11 hearings," which was another circus of games and grandstanding.

Rumsfeld conducted himself well during his "testimony" even though he had to listen to what was previously referred to as "humiliation" and "abuse" then "torture" now being referred to as "atrocities."

Senator Clinton was particularly animated even in her body language as she listened to the answers with her palm against her cheek and her elbow on the table, like a school girl that was disgusted at what the teacher was telling her. She was among those to refer to what even the Iraqis are not taking too awfully seriously as an "atrocity."

Other Democrats also did their best to color the situation as far, far more than it was.

Rumsfeld at one point, stopped the nonsense and reminded them all that throughout history the military has called upon the press and other media to delay reports that could be harmful to the troops. And he is dead nuts on the money about that. We are trying too hard to allow the press to be "embedded." Now they are embedded in matters that the military should have full latitude to handle without politics.

This is what you get, when you let the people think that the government, especially the military owes them a blow by blow of every event in war. In the first Gulf War, Schwartskoff (sp) kept the press out completely. That in my opinion is as it should be. If mistakes are made in war, as they always are, the military has the right and more importantly the need to handle it on their own. If you think that is not good enough, then as I said, you are perhaps not familiar with the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

This situation should have never occurred, but more importantly it should have NEVER been allowed to politicized and exaggerated as it has been in the last 72 hours or so. Why? Because our sons and daughters are the ones that will be the real losers...of their lives, possibly. The real winners will be our enemies that will capitalize first on the mistakes that were made, and then on the propaganda mileage that they can get out of it all.

Logs, I salute you. You voiced the same feelings that I experienced as I watched our military leaders stand up and take on the disgusting questions and innuendo designed to demean and degrade all of America by the left wing idiots that claim to "support our troops." I too am blessed that I have a foundation that was reinforced by my military experience. I was proud of our military leaders and I was proud of Rumsfeld for standing up like a man and a true leader and taking responsibility for what it was, not what it was not.

This entire situation bespeaks the slime that is awash in America today. The people behind sensationalizing this issue do NOT support our troops, are not the least bit interested in the facts, are not patriots, and they are blatantly anti-American.

Today was a historically sad day for America. If you do not speak up against the atrocity that occurred today behind those microphones in front of the entire world, you too are anti-American.
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Old 05-07-2004, 04:19 PM   #10
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I only heard small sound bytes of the hearing on the radio.....most of the quotes and bytes were Rumsfield's answers to questions. He sounded as if he handled it well. I look forward to hearing and/or seeing more b/c it is hard to tell from the small bits I heard.
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