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Old 04-30-2004, 06:42 PM   #1
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...t_demjanjuk_11

By JOHN NOLAN, Associated Press Writer

CINCINNATI - A federal appeals court Friday upheld a judge's decision to strip retired autoworker John Demjanjuk of U.S. citizenship, saying the government had proven he was a Nazi death-camp guard.


The Justice Department (news - web sites) said afterward it will begin what could be a years-long process to force the Ukranian-born Demjanjuk to leave the United States.


The unanimous ruling from the three-judge panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) said the government had provided "clear, unequivocal and convincing evidence" of Demjanjuk's guard service.


Though it years ago abandoned a claim that he was the notorious Ivan the Terrible at Poland's Treblinka death camp, the Justice Department maintained that Demjanjuk had persecuted civilians during World War II at five Nazi concentration camps, including Trawniki, Sobibor and Flossenburg.


"The court's decision sends a powerful message to every participant in the ghastly Nazi campaign of genocide who is still living in this country: the government will not waver in its determination to find you, prosecute you and remove you from the United States," said Eli M. Rosenbaum, director of the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations.


Jewish advocacy organizations praised Friday's ruling, saying Demjanjuk has long used his U.S. citizenship as a shield to protect him from punishment for past sins.


"Demjanjuk enjoyed all the benefits of freedom in a free land after having denied his own victims the dignity of their lives," said Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League and a Holocaust survivor.


Demjanjuk, 84, has said he was the victim of mistaken identity "” a camp prisoner rather than a guard "” and his family vowed to challenge the ruling.


Demjanjuk (dem-YAHN-yuk), who has lived in the Cleveland area for years, has lost his citizenship twice, the first time in 1981 when the government was arguing that he was Ivan the Terrible. He was convicted in Israel and sentenced to death in 1988, but the case later fell apart on new evidence that someone else was Ivan.


Demjanjuk returned to the United States, and in 1998 U.S. District Judge Paul R. Matia of Cleveland overturned the ruling that had stripped him of citizenship.


Matia then revoked Demjanjuk's citizenship in 2002, declaring that "devastating" testimony confirmed his a death camp role. It was that ruling that was upheld Friday.


Demjanjuk's family said his age and deteriorating health would make it difficult for him to withstand the deportation process.


"He's slipping. He's not well," said Ed Nishnic, his son-in-law and family spokesman.


Their options include asking the full appeals court to reconsider the ruling or asking the Supreme Court to hear the case, Nishnic said from his suburban Cleveland office.
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Old 04-30-2004, 07:42 PM   #2
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If the courts are right, and he was a guard in any of the camps, he deserves to be deported, at the very least. I fully support the continued hunt for, and prosecution of, all participants in the holocaust.
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Old 05-01-2004, 04:03 PM   #3
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he deserves to be deported, at the very least.
Milwaukee is LOADED with russians now.

How many were alive and participated during stalin's purges? During these purges up to 70 Million were executed and dumped in woodland graves. Since the bolshevik revolution it could be as high as 110 million.

the vietnamese who we now import by the hundreds of thousands killed upwards of 2 million christians and educated.

How about the 6 Million non jews killed in germany? don't they count?

How about the Chinese/phillipinos that were slaughtered and tortured like pigs by the ***anese -- even bayonetting infants in the air for fun and tying pregnant womens legs together to see what happens when they have to give birth..



Yeah, it's the germans, they're the worldwide bad guys. ......

Ever think that our country is WAY too "jew-centric" ????
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Old 05-01-2004, 04:10 PM   #4
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After the balfour declaration.. after the UN charter, Israel which at the time was 65% "palestinian" (actually displaced saudi's) were given only 35% of the land. But the Israeli's lobbed shells over the british army which did nothing, into the city of Jaffa and killed countless innocent women and children simply trying to survive.

Yeah, I love the jew...
the morgans the warnocks the federal reserve.................. Western European history is something to look at as a blueprint.
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Old 05-01-2004, 04:15 PM   #5
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From the Talmud:

1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

4. Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death."


6. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."


7. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

8. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

9. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

10. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

11. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

13. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

14. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

15. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

16. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

17. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

18. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

19. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

20. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

21. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

22. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

23. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

24. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."


25. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow whi

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And you defend these scumbags???
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Sorry. When I responded to this post, I mistakenly assumed it was going to deal with whether or not resources should still be used to pursue Nazi war criminals. I didn't realize it's intention was to slam the Jewish people.
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Old 05-01-2004, 05:31 PM   #7
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You never answered my question.

why are we not going after anyone else?
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Yeah, it's the germans, they're the worldwide bad guys. ......
You nailed it. The Germans are the only people who in this day are politically fair game for persecution.

Ever notice that even in the movies, the villains are almost invariably Germanic or Space aliens? I wouldn't be suprised if someone started protesting the exploitation of space aliens as bad guys in movies next.
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Old 05-02-2004, 03:22 PM   #9
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You nailed it. The Germans are the only people who in this day are politically fair game for persecution.
Indeed.

could you imagine the backlash if we took the "evil scientist's" voice and changed it from a German accent to a Hebrew accent and gave him a "beanie" to wear... OY !!!
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I'll agree and disagree.

First of all, I don't think that he should be stripped of his citizenship. If he has lived here for 40-50 years, or whatever, and has been a model citizen, I think its time to let those old bones remain buried.

Now, FNG, here's a question for you: Why the hatred for the Jewish people? What have they ever done to you?
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