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Old 04-13-2004, 07:57 PM   #1
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As many of you may know, I really find this NWO stuff interesting. I also find the Truths of the Bible very important while taking a look at where we've been, where we're at now, and where we're going. And yes, I do have some tin on my head.

So let's hash some of this stuff around again. First, let's take a look at some stuff our founding fathers said.

JAMES MADISON: "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future ...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God."

JOHN ADAMS: "Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: "Man will ultimately be governed by GOD or by tyrants."

ANDREW JACKSON: "The BIBLE is the rock on which our Republic rests."


Next, let's look at some stuff the founding fathers/supporters of the NWO have to say.

KARL MARX: "My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism."

LEV DAVIDOVICH TROTSKY: "Religions are illogical primitive ignorance. There is nothing as ridiculous and tragic as a religious government."

AMERICAN HUMANIST MOVEMENT, Doctrinal statement:

"We are humanists ...We are not for God ...We are for socialism."

HUMANIST MAGAZINE, 1983 Jan-Feb. issue. Humanist John J. Dunphy: "I am convinced that the battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers that correctly perceive their role as proselytizers of a new faith which will replace the rotting corpse of Christianity."

ZBIGNIEW BREZHINSKY, National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter and advisor to 4 other presidents, Executive Director of Trilateral Commission, Marxist and proud of it! Here he speaks about what a New World Order will be like: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."

PETER HOAGLAND, Nebraska State Senator and Humanist, speaking on radio in 1983 with the great American Pastor and Patriot Everett Sileven said: "Fundamental, Bible believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in."

DAVID ROCKEFELLER, Internationalist billionaire, Humanist, CFR kingpin, founder of the Trilateralist Commission, World Order Godfather (and in all probability the High School graduate voted "Most Likely to Be Hanged for Treason"), voiced his praise of the controlled U.S. media for keeping their oath not to divulge the Globalist plans to the public. Speaking to his fellow conspirators at a meeting, June 1991 in Baden Baden, Germany, of yet one more infamous World Order group, the Bilderbergers, Mr. Rockefeller said:

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."





So, what does this all mean? You tell me. Are we not heading for a NWO? Are we? What does God have to do with all this. And yes, there is a TON more....
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Old 04-13-2004, 08:40 PM   #2
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We go further in that direction, it seems, each year. However, nationalism is a powerful force. Can you see the majority of people in every country agreeing to a single world government any time soon? I don't see it happening in our lifetime. Just don't be suprised by events that lead us in that direction.

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I'm not a great biblical scholar, but things pretty much have to go to "heck" here on earth. NWO, secular humanism, moral relativism, adds up to "heck" in my mind.

And by the way, the tin on your head, maybe you could look into a tin plate implanted above the skull...permanent results, no effect on asthetics!
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Old 04-13-2004, 08:54 PM   #3
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We go further in that direction, it seems, each year. However, nationalism is a powerful force. Can you see the majority of people in every country agreeing to a single world government any time soon? I don't see it happening in our lifetime. Just don't be suprised by events that lead us in that direction.
Honestly, I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, but who knows. It IS set in motion. Remember though, it's not going to be up to the "people" to decide on a one world gov.



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Never thought of that - great idea!
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Old 04-14-2004, 05:26 AM   #4
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Here's a few you missed

John Adams-The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion

Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.""

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved " the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"

Thomas Jefferson-Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

"...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, "Jesus Christ...the holy author of our religion," which was rejected "By a great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every denomination.""

Our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than on our opinions in physics and geometry. . . ."

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter

James Madison-Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise....During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution."

Ben Fraklin-"...Some books against Deism fell into my hands....It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quote to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations, in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."

Thomas Paine-I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of....Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and of my own part, I disbelieve them all."


From The Age of Reason:
"What is it the Bible teaches us? " rapine, cruelty, and murder."

From The Age of Reason:
"Loving of enemies is another dogma of feigned morality, and has beside no meaning....Those who preach the doctrine of loving their enemies are in general the greatest prosecutors, and they act consistently by so doing; for the doctrine is hypocritical, and it is natural that hypocrisy should act the reverse of what it preaches."

From The Age of Reason:
"The Bible was established altogether by the sword, and that in the worst use of it " not to terrify but to extirpate."

Additional quote from Thomas Paine:
"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."


Ethan Allen

From Religion of the American Enlightenment:
"Denominated a Deist, the reality of which I have never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian."
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There is no contradiction here, as I see it. The majority of the people during the founding were religious, yet the government was designed to be athiest. That's the point of the Constitution.
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There is no contradiction here, as I see it. The majority of the people during the founding were religious, yet the government was designed to be athiest. That's the point of the Constitution.
The goobermint was designed to be secular , not atheist , there is a difference . A secular goobermint can still recognize the existence of deities , an atheist goobermint can't .
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The goobermint was designed to be secular , not atheist , there is a difference . A secular goobermint can still recognize the existence of deities , an atheist goobermint can't .
Gotcha' ... Thanks for the correction kevin1.
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Thomas Paine-I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of....Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and of my own part, I disbelieve them all."
Who is this guy? I need to read more about him. This is why I am Agnostic
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