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Old 04-07-2004, 12:07 PM   #1
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/04/07/mo....ap/index.html

[quote]SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- The woman accused of murdering one of her twins by failing to undergo a timely Caesarean section pleaded guilty Wednesday to two counts of child endangerment.

Melissa Ann Rowland had been charged with murder for failing to follow doctors' advice to undergo the procedure, which they said was necessary to save the life of her twins. Under a plea bargain, the murder charge was dropped.

Prosecutors said Rowland, 28, acted with "depraved indifference" when she allegedly ignored doctors' repeated warnings to undergo a C-section to save the babies' lives.

On Wednesday, she admitted using cocaine in the weeks before she finally underwent the C-section that produced a stillborn boy. The second child, a girl who survived and has been adopted, was found with cocaine and alcohol in her system.

Rowland was sent back to jail after the hearing, during which she showed little emotion but appeared disappointed when the judge denied a request to release her from custody until sentencing on April 29.

Under the plea agreement, prosecutors will recommend that Rowland receive concurrent terms of zero to five years in prison, court probation and admittance to a drug treatment program.

Rowland has said she never intended to kill her baby and was not informed she needed immediate surgery. She denied prosecutors' allegations she was worried about a scar, saying she delivered two previous children through C-sections.

Her attorney, Michael Sikora, has said Rowland suffers from mental illness.

"She decided it was in her best interest to resolve the case as soon as possible, and I support her in the decision she made," Sikora said outside the courtroom.

Salt Lake County prosecutor Langdon Fisher said the plea agreement was reached based on Rowland's "mental health history." Prosecutors had originally dropped the child-endangerment charge and planned to use evidence that Rowland used cocaine to bolster the murder charge.

"We believe these pleas are in the interest of justice," Fisher said.

The National Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood and the American Civil Liberties Union and others have said prosecutors went too far, calling the case a back-door effort to undermine abortion rights and an attack on a poor, possibly mentally ill person.

Legal experts said they do not know of any other instance in the United States in which a woman was charged with murder for refusing or delaying a C-section, though some women have been forced to undergo C-sections after their doctors obtained court orders.[/
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My quandry is this - if its not a living human baby (as Roe Vs Wade stands on) then how can these charges hold ? If it IS a baby, how can Roe vs Wade stande ?

Its just so contradictory it makes my head hurt ........
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Old 04-07-2004, 12:31 PM   #2
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My quandry is this - if its not a living human baby (as Roe Vs Wade stands on) then how can these charges hold ? If it IS a baby, how can Roe vs Wade stande ?
I agree. Same thing can be said about the Peterson Trial. I guess the difference in the Peterson Trial and this, is that the Peterson trial is going on in Cal.. They have already been agruing your point. Peterson should be charged with two murders, his wife chose to keep and have the child.

Selfishness/personal choice is too hard to police.[:@][:'(][]


My biggest question is why was this lady not under psychiatric care. The
media keeps pointing out how this women has been in and out of institutions and shouldn"™t be held accountable. My question is if she was this messed up, why was she out on her own. Also, this wasn"™t her first kid.
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I tend to understand and agree with the outcome.
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Old 04-07-2004, 12:57 PM   #4
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You often here " not your pregnancy (child) not your choice " - right ?

Then the woman chose to submit her twin fetuses to cocaine and choce to carry full term - choice cannot be/should not be regulated according to Roe vs Wade , right ?

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Stealthy... Roe v Wade is not about whether a baby is a life. We know it is. They know it is. It is about womens rights.

I predict Roe v Wade will not ultimately stand.

It is based on lies. And stands against our founding documents... The right to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
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Old 04-07-2004, 03:35 PM   #6
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It is based on lies. And stands against our founding documents... The right to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
So the founders omitted women and slaves, but included fetuses? Do you know of any documents that support these so-called founder's views on the rights of the unborn?
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Declaration of independence. Right to life...

Aught Six, you can't tell me that abortion is not killing an innocent life...

The baby is not the mothers body... It is in the mother... She is the caretaker of it.

We should not have the Liberty to kill...

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They were wrong about women and slaves. They did not want to fight all battles at the beginning. They never would have gotten the constitution passed. Compromise then and now...

We fought the battles later... the Civil war... Sufferage movement

Britain is going to show an aborton on the air... finally! Let the truth be known. It's chopping little babies to pieces...

See the article
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Old 04-07-2004, 07:52 PM   #8
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Abortion arguments (right or wrong) aside, clearlt a woman cannot choose what to do with her body if she's pregnant, can she ? Why ? It might harm an innocent, unborn fetus.


Oh, but she can have the same unborn fetus killed, and pregnancy ended and thats okay.


No abortion debate - but surely ya'll can agree there a HUGE contradiction here thats just unbelievable.
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Aught Six, you can't tell me that abortion is not killing an innocent life...

The baby is not the mothers body... It is in the mother... She is the caretaker of it.

We should not have the Liberty to kill...
*sigh* We've gone through this discussion half a dozen times before. It's part of the mother until it separates at birth. Biologically independent life is a prerequisite for individuality.

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They were wrong about women and slaves. They did not want to fight all battles at the beginning. They never would have gotten the constitution passed. Compromise then and now...

We fought the battles later... the Civil war... Sufferage movement

Britain is going to show an aborton on the air... finally! Let the truth be known. It's chopping little babies to pieces...
Yep, and I dare say some people are wrong about a lot of things today. If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. We gave women and minorities rights; now we need to respect the right of a woman to make the decisions about her body. I didn't say it's pretty, only that it's none of your business.
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Sorry. I quickly skimmed this thread and confused if for the one in which the woman that killed her children with stone was remanded to a psychiatric facility. Wrong nutcase.
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